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Yeast Cultures Are Like Nuclear Weapons
« on: October 30, 2015, 07:21:27 pm »
I know that I have used the nuclear weapon analogy in different threads on this forum, but it is the title of my first non-fluff blog entry.  Once again, I have covered most, if not all of the information in this entry in various threads, but here is an opportunity for new forum members to be able to see it compiled into one page.

http://www.experimentalbrew.com/blogs/saccharomyces/yeast-cultures-are-nuclear-weapons
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Re: Yeast Cultures Are Like Nuclear Weapons
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2015, 07:33:02 pm »
That's an excellent choice for a first post, Mark. I think if you're going to delve into the fine details of yeast wrangling, this topic is something you always should have in the back of your mind.
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Re: Yeast Cultures Are Like Nuclear Weapons
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2015, 07:43:02 pm »
Excellent synopsis, Mark. Thanks !
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Re: Yeast Cultures Are Like Nuclear Weapons
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2015, 07:55:04 pm »
Great article!  Thanks for the effort...
Anyone got a lighter??

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Re: Yeast Cultures Are Like Nuclear Weapons
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2015, 08:49:17 pm »
Again, good on ya Mark. Gonna have to go back and read this in full when there is not a raging debate over free will in my living room. This is what I am interested in, just can't focus at the moment with all the nonsense floating around my house right now
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Re: Yeast Cultures Are Like Nuclear Weapons
« Reply #5 on: October 30, 2015, 08:57:03 pm »
Again, good on ya Mark. Gonna have to go back and read this in full when there is not a raging debate over free will in my living room. This is what I am interested in, just can't focus at the moment with all the nonsense floating around my house right now
If the illusion of free will is indistinguishable from actual free will, then the two are identical from the perspective of the person who is making the choice. Just sayin'  ;D
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Re: Yeast Cultures Are Like Nuclear Weapons
« Reply #6 on: October 30, 2015, 09:19:30 pm »
But what if the argument is that no one is able to make a/that choice. All of existence is pre-determined. Man is unable to make a choice even when he/she feels a choice has been made. All I know is that "even if you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice"
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« Reply #7 on: October 30, 2015, 09:20:20 pm »
Oh, and apparently this is all scientific fact. Gawd I hate when she comes over...
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Re: Yeast Cultures Are Like Nuclear Weapons
« Reply #8 on: October 30, 2015, 09:21:38 pm »
Sorry for the high jack Mark, I will go back over this post and the blog post in the near future once this blow hard leaves the house
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Re: Yeast Cultures Are Like Nuclear Weapons
« Reply #9 on: October 30, 2015, 09:22:48 pm »
Deep stuff, indeed.    ;)
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Re: Yeast Cultures Are Like Nuclear Weapons
« Reply #10 on: October 30, 2015, 09:49:54 pm »
"Maybe both is happening at the same time" F Gump

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Re: Yeast Cultures Are Like Nuclear Weapons
« Reply #11 on: October 30, 2015, 10:07:42 pm »
Sorry for the high jack Mark, I will go back over this post and the blog post in the near future once this blow hard leaves the house

Not a problem, you guys have all read this information at least one time.   I posted the link for newer forum members.

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Re: Yeast Cultures Are Like Nuclear Weapons
« Reply #12 on: October 30, 2015, 10:35:10 pm »
Dont worry about repeating. I've seen it before but I dont think I really got it till now. I'm not wired for formulas,  and probably my log and your log are two different things. But I focused and kept reading. I think I grasp it now, maybe. My take away is that cell count calculating is more important when you are pitching quiescent yeast (slury).  Not as important if you are pitching a "close enough" amount of yeast actively in the exponential phase (high krausen). Which, if my understanding is correct, makes me wonder... when a yeast calculator tells me that 300b cells (slury) is enough, why wouldnt 200b in exponential phase also be good enough? Actually better. If it only took 3 hrs to get that 300b slury into the beginning of exponential phase, by that time my 200b high krausen cells have already become 800b. But doesnt it actually take more like 9 hours? By 9 hours mine have maxed out you would think.

Or am I still lost?

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Re: Yeast Cultures Are Like Nuclear Weapons
« Reply #13 on: October 30, 2015, 11:50:54 pm »
Again, good on ya Mark. Gonna have to go back and read this in full when there is not a raging debate over free will in my living room. This is what I am interested in, just can't focus at the moment with all the nonsense floating around my house right now

I'm with you.  I have little patience for stupid thinking. Free will/determinism is the area 51 of philosophy.

Sorry to Hijack the thread Mark.  You know I'm a fan.  A large part of which is that there is solid reasoning in your posts.
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Re: Yeast Cultures Are Like Nuclear Weapons
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2015, 06:43:05 am »
I'm glad yeast doesn't have free will.
Don't let the bastards cheer you up.