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Chilling The Wort: No Chill vs. Quick Chill | xBmt Results!
« on: November 09, 2015, 01:01:03 PM »
Results for one of the most commonly requested xBmts are in-- No Chill vs. Quick Chill! With recent water shortages, homebrewers around the world are considering more efficient methods for chilling their wort, though many are hesitant due to concerns it may have an impact on the quality of their beer. Does it? Read to find out!

http://brulosophy.com/2015/11/09/cooling-the-wort-pt-1-no-chill-vs-quick-chill-exbeeriment-results/

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Re: Chilling The Wort: No Chill vs. Quick Chill | xBmt Results!
« Reply #1 on: November 09, 2015, 01:09:34 PM »
Grand! I appreciate it you get up so early to inform your European audience asap!
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Re: Chilling The Wort: No Chill vs. Quick Chill | xBmt Results!
« Reply #2 on: November 09, 2015, 01:41:50 PM »
How is it a helles when its brewed with a kolsch yeast?

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Re: Chilling The Wort: No Chill vs. Quick Chill | xBmt Results!
« Reply #3 on: November 09, 2015, 01:48:12 PM »
How is it a helles when its brewed with a kolsch yeast?
I guess you'd have to try it out for yourself to see :)

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« Reply #4 on: November 09, 2015, 01:52:01 PM »
No need as its not a helles. It would be a Kolsch, that isn't within Kolsch specs. Go ask the people who made the style, if it would be a helles with that yeast. I have no problems if "for you" it brews a clean lager like beer. But its doesn't make it a lager, let alone a Helles.
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Re: Chilling The Wort: No Chill vs. Quick Chill | xBmt Results!
« Reply #5 on: November 09, 2015, 01:53:49 PM »
No need as its not a helles. It would be a Kolsch, that isn't within Kolsch specs.
Not to question your palate, but I'd bet you wouldn't be able to tell which was which either:

http://brulosophy.com/2015/04/13/lager-fermentation-traditional-yeast-vs-hybrid-yeast-exbeeriment-results/

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« Reply #6 on: November 09, 2015, 01:57:31 PM »
Its not about a palate, Let me put it this way.. you do an exbeeriment where you blind triangle your "helles" with good fresh examples of the style from Germany. When people can't tell a difference there, I will then be "sold". Still won't call it a lager or a helles though.

Also use a real yeast with character, 833/838/2206/etc. You are comparing the "US05" of lager yeasts.
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« Reply #7 on: November 09, 2015, 01:58:52 PM »
No need as its not a helles. It would be a Kolsch, that isn't within Kolsch specs.
Not to question your palate, but I'd bet you wouldn't be able to tell which was which either:

http://brulosophy.com/2015/04/13/lager-fermentation-traditional-yeast-vs-hybrid-yeast-exbeeriment-results/

WLP029 is so clean even I'd be tempted to think it was a lager strain. Not sure what this has to do with the xBeerment though.

I've been doing no chill on my last 3 batches because I don't have the fittings I need to connect my chiller. I'm disappointed that there was a difference in this xBeerment, but hopefully I can get my fittings this week so I can go back to chilling quickly.
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Re: Chilling The Wort: No Chill vs. Quick Chill | xBmt Results!
« Reply #8 on: November 09, 2015, 02:04:16 PM »
How is it a helles when its brewed with a kolsch yeast?
Oh, Bryan, just let it be.

I always thought that maybe the Aussies just had terrible palates... I guess this sort of confirms that, while this method doesn't produce bad beer, it doesn't produce the best possible beer.
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Re: Chilling The Wort: No Chill vs. Quick Chill | xBmt Results!
« Reply #9 on: November 09, 2015, 02:06:15 PM »
Its not about a palate, Let me put it this way.. you do an exbeeriment where you blind triangle your "helles" with good fresh examples of the style from Germany. When people can't tell a difference there, I will then be "sold". Still won't call it a lager or a helles though.

Also use a real yeast with character, 833/838/2206/etc. You are comparing the "US05" of lager yeasts.
I mean... compare your homemade Helles with a traditional example sent over from Germany, I bet people could tell them apart. Now, compare your homemade example using traditional lager yeast with my homemade example using WLP029 and there's a good chance, assuming our recipe and process were the same otherwise, people would have a much more difficult time distinguishing them.

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Re: Chilling The Wort: No Chill vs. Quick Chill | xBmt Results!
« Reply #10 on: November 09, 2015, 02:07:38 PM »
How is it a helles when its brewed with a kolsch yeast?
Oh, Bryan, just let it be.

I always thought that maybe the Aussies just had terrible palates... I guess this sort of confirms that, while this method doesn't produce bad beer, it doesn't produce the best possible beer.

It's hard to let it be, when he's now partnered with a homebrew supply company & will be pawning his nonsense off as beer kits that are sold as 'Munich Helles'.
That, to me, is bothersome.
It's not a Munich Helles...
It's a light ale.
Why would anyone want to drink stale beer?

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« Reply #11 on: November 09, 2015, 02:09:38 PM »
How is it a helles when its brewed with a kolsch yeast?
Oh, Bryan, just let it be.

I always thought that maybe the Aussies just had terrible palates... I guess this sort of confirms that, while this method doesn't produce bad beer, it doesn't produce the best possible beer.

It's hard to let it be, when he's now partnered with a homebrew supply company & will be pawning his nonsense off as beer kits that are sold as 'Munich Helles'.
That, to me, is bothersome.
It's not a Munich Helles...
It's a light ale.

I guess I was thinking more of the exbeeriment at hand, not the kit being sold. If anything, it should probably be changed to Munich-style light ale or something to that effect.
Either way, thanks for posting the results, Marshall! Always love reading these articles.
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Re: Chilling The Wort: No Chill vs. Quick Chill | xBmt Results!
« Reply #12 on: November 09, 2015, 02:11:03 PM »
Real Kolsch is only made in Koln.  It is an appellation.

If your palate can't tell the difference, a helles is a helles.
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« Reply #13 on: November 09, 2015, 02:11:33 PM »
How is it a helles when its brewed with a kolsch yeast?
It's hard to let it be, when he's now partnered with a homebrew supply company & will be pawning his nonsense off as beer kits that are sold as 'Munich Helles'.
That, to me, is bothersome.
It's not a Munich Helles...
It's a light ale.

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Re: Chilling The Wort: No Chill vs. Quick Chill | xBmt Results!
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2015, 02:13:21 PM »
Real Kolsch is only made in Koln.  It is an appellation.

If your palate can't tell the difference, a helles is a helles.

But...Not a 'Munich Helles'.
Why would anyone want to drink stale beer?