Membership questions? Log in issues? Email info@brewersassociation.org

Author Topic: Need help with Brun water  (Read 1263 times)

Offline Pi

  • Brewer
  • ****
  • Posts: 429
  • "I would never trade tomorrow for today"
Need help with Brun water
« on: November 11, 2015, 09:59:05 am »
Been playing around with Martins spreadsheet and wanted to run this by you and make sure i am doing this right.
My water:
CA 48
MG 2
NA 2
S04 6
CL 7
HC03 138

trying to build water for a Gratzer:
CA 45
MG 31
NA 32
S04 6145
CL 67
HC03 80

By adding to mash:
Epson salt 1.2 gm/gallon
NACL .2gm/gal
Lactic acid .8 ml/gal and .47 to sparge

Grain bill 8lb oak smoked wheat malt and 8oz saur malt

Am i making sense? should I leave my water alone? Should I take a water chemistry class at the community college?

Primary:On Reflection APA
Lagering: Vienna
Drinking: Whenever I'm not working or driving

Offline homoeccentricus

  • Brewmaster General
  • *******
  • Posts: 2009
  • A twerp from Antwerp
Re: Need help with Brun water
« Reply #1 on: November 11, 2015, 10:06:00 am »
Brunwater will tell you what the final composition of the water is. What is it? And I guess there is a typo in the amount of so4?
Frank P.

Staggering on the shoulders of giant dwarfs.

Offline Pi

  • Brewer
  • ****
  • Posts: 429
  • "I would never trade tomorrow for today"
Re: Need help with Brun water
« Reply #2 on: November 11, 2015, 10:27:18 am »
Brunwater will tell you what the final composition of the water is. What is it? And I guess there is a typo in the amount of so4?
My bad, S04 is 145. I am making a gratzer. See martin's post
Primary:On Reflection APA
Lagering: Vienna
Drinking: Whenever I'm not working or driving

Offline theDarkSide

  • Official Poobah of No Life. (I Got Ban Hammered by Drew)
  • *********
  • Posts: 3041
  • Derry, NH
Re: Need help with Brun water
« Reply #3 on: November 11, 2015, 11:31:48 am »
Brunwater will tell you what the final composition of the water is. What is it? And I guess there is a typo in the amount of so4?
My bad, S04 is 145. I am making a gratzer. See martin's post
Ha...Gypsum paste
Seacoast Homebrew Club - Portsmouth, NH
AHA Member
Stephen Mayo
------------------------------------------------

Offline HoosierBrew

  • I must live here
  • **********
  • Posts: 13031
  • Indianapolis,IN
Re: Need help with Brun water
« Reply #4 on: November 11, 2015, 11:42:35 am »
Ha...Gypsum paste


No kidding. Might be a solid block of gypsum at that concentration.  ;D
Jon H.

Offline toby

  • Senior Brewmaster
  • ******
  • Posts: 1021
  • Galvez, LA
    • Beer Judge Chronicles
Re: Need help with Brun water
« Reply #5 on: November 11, 2015, 11:56:09 am »
Ha...Gypsum paste


No kidding. Might be a solid block of gypsum at that concentration.  ;D

Drywall.

Offline kramerog

  • Brewmaster General
  • *******
  • Posts: 2262
    • My LinkedIn page
Re: Need help with Brun water
« Reply #6 on: November 11, 2015, 12:06:32 pm »
The number one thing is to get the right mash pH.  I don't see a mash pH listed.

The general consensus here is not to chase the water that is traditionally used to make the beer style.  I would almost never add magnesium because of the possibility of metallic off flavors.   Chloride and sulfate levels can be important but sulfate doesn't seem likely to be important in a sour beer unless it is to provide a little more sourness.  I try to avoid salt - I don't just mean NaCl - additions to avoid saltiness in sours.

My $0.02 but I don't know much about Gratzers.

Offline hopfenundmalz

  • Global Moderator
  • I must live here
  • *****
  • Posts: 10687
  • Milford, MI
Re: Need help with Brun water
« Reply #7 on: November 11, 2015, 12:12:01 pm »
Grodziskies are smokey, but not sour.
Jeff Rankert
AHA Lifetime Member
BJCP National
Ann Arbor Brewers Guild
Home-brewing, not just a hobby, it is a lifestyle!

Offline kramerog

  • Brewmaster General
  • *******
  • Posts: 2262
    • My LinkedIn page
Re: Need help with Brun water
« Reply #8 on: November 11, 2015, 01:24:01 pm »
Grodziskies are smokey, but not sour.

I saw the lactic acid and the saur malz so I presumed the beer to be sour.  Isn't there a sour, smoky beer?

Offline hopfenundmalz

  • Global Moderator
  • I must live here
  • *****
  • Posts: 10687
  • Milford, MI
Re: Need help with Brun water
« Reply #9 on: November 11, 2015, 01:34:08 pm »
Grodziskies are smokey, but not sour.

I saw the lactic acid and the saur malz so I presumed the beer to be sour.  Isn't there a sour, smoky beer?
Lichtenhainer is slightly smokey beer along the lines of a Berliner Weisse. So sour with a littl smoke.
Jeff Rankert
AHA Lifetime Member
BJCP National
Ann Arbor Brewers Guild
Home-brewing, not just a hobby, it is a lifestyle!

RPIScotty

  • Guest
Re: Need help with Brun water
« Reply #10 on: November 11, 2015, 04:19:14 pm »
One of the things I really like about Bru'n Water is that Martin has the "boiled" profile as well. The User custom slots are nice as well. Ive added a few of the modified Trappist profiles from BLAM into my version. Its such a handy spreadsheet.