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Offline Philbrew

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Grain mill roller spacing?
« on: November 20, 2015, 11:23:53 pm »
I'm about to make the jump to all-grain.  Bought a Cereal Killer grain mill from AIH.  Looks well built and has gap adjustment but came with no instructions.  Gap as delivered looks about 1/8" which does nothing to grain.  What should I set the gap to?  Starting out with Weyermann Pils base malt and doing BIAB (The Brew Bag).
Also, I want to drive it with a cordless drill.  Is there a preferred RPM range?
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Re: Grain mill roller spacing?
« Reply #1 on: November 21, 2015, 12:00:11 am »
I have a CK. I set it at tightest gap and I run it with a plug in hammer drill, with hammer function turned off, and it has a dial stop on the trigger. I set it to the slowest speed that won't slow down when grain is added. Guessing about 200-300 rpm. I cut the power cord and wired it to a waterproof switch, from the switch it runs to a standard grounded plug in.

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Re: Grain mill roller spacing?
« Reply #2 on: November 21, 2015, 06:14:09 am »
Gap setting is dependent upon your mashing system. Ideally, you want the crush to be very fine. But that invites plugging the mash and preventing runoff. For starters, I'd suggest a gap of around 0.04" to 0.045" and see how that works in your system. If the runoff rate is pretty high for you, then reduce the gap over successive batches.

I run 0.036" in my Monster 2.2, but I condition my grain prior to crushing and that leaves my crush with a lot of flour and intact husks. Perfect for high extraction efficiency and wort flow. I use one of that Harbor Freight Low-Speed Drills at the lowest speed that it can stand and I can tell you it takes a lot of power. I'd be surprised if a cordless drill would last in that sort of service.

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Re: Grain mill roller spacing?
« Reply #3 on: November 21, 2015, 07:27:37 am »
Gap setting is dependent upon your mashing system. Ideally, you want the crush to be very fine. But that invites plugging the mash and preventing runoff. For starters, I'd suggest a gap of around 0.04" to 0.045" and see how that works in your system. If the runoff rate is pretty high for you, then reduce the gap over successive batches.

I run 0.036" in my Monster 2.2, but I condition my grain prior to crushing and that leaves my crush with a lot of flour and intact husks. Perfect for high extraction efficiency and wort flow. I use one of that Harbor Freight Low-Speed Drills at the lowest speed that it can stand and I can tell you it takes a lot of power. I'd be surprised if a cordless drill would last in that sort of service.
Martin, he mentioned he uses brew in a bag, so I think he can crush as fine as is possible.
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Re: Grain mill roller spacing?
« Reply #4 on: November 21, 2015, 10:04:46 am »
Gap setting is dependent upon your mashing system. Ideally, you want the crush to be very fine. But that invites plugging the mash and preventing runoff. For starters, I'd suggest a gap of around 0.04" to 0.045" and see how that works in your system. If the runoff rate is pretty high for you, then reduce the gap over successive batches.

I run 0.036" in my Monster 2.2, but I condition my grain prior to crushing and that leaves my crush with a lot of flour and intact husks. Perfect for high extraction efficiency and wort flow. I use one of that Harbor Freight Low-Speed Drills at the lowest speed that it can stand and I can tell you it takes a lot of power. I'd be surprised if a cordless drill would last in that sort of service.
Thanks Martin,
I have an old Milwaukee 1/2" corded drill with bags of torque.  That sounds like the answer using Jim's switch idea.

Have not heard of "grain conditioning"...must do some research.
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Re: Grain mill roller spacing?
« Reply #5 on: November 21, 2015, 10:17:14 am »
I crush very fine and have no problems without conditioning.  I'd skip that step until you  if you need it.  Knowing what the gap is on someone else's mill won't necessarily do you much good.  I have no idea what mine measures.  I judge by the crush, not the measurement.
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Re: Grain mill roller spacing?
« Reply #6 on: November 21, 2015, 01:11:23 pm »
I brew with RIMS, so the permeability of the mash bed is critical for my brewing. Conditioning makes a HUGE difference in a system that needs flow!
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Re: Grain mill roller spacing?
« Reply #7 on: November 21, 2015, 01:50:08 pm »
I have a Barley Crusher and crank it by hand, so like Denny said it may not be applicable, but I crush at 0.030". That's an easy setting/check because it's the thickness of credit card stock.
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Re: Grain mill roller spacing?
« Reply #8 on: November 21, 2015, 04:51:58 pm »
+1 to barley crusher as well and crankin' by hand.  Sucks though when the batches get close to 20#.  I just look at it as a good workout.  Run mine at the factory setting which I think is .039.  I have another older crusher too that I recently took apart and cleaned and set this one back up a bit lower (smaller gap) to deal with rye and wheat malt. 

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Re: Grain mill roller spacing?
« Reply #9 on: November 22, 2015, 05:36:29 am »
New CK owner here too. I use the credit card trick also, and it works great.

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Re: Grain mill roller spacing?
« Reply #10 on: November 22, 2015, 10:02:04 am »
I'm about to make the jump to all-grain.  Bought a Cereal Killer grain mill from AIH.  Looks well built and has gap adjustment but came with no instructions.  Gap as delivered looks about 1/8" which does nothing to grain.  What should I set the gap to?  Starting out with Weyermann Pils base malt and doing BIAB (The Brew Bag).
Also, I want to drive it with a cordless drill.  Is there a preferred RPM range?

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Re: Grain mill roller spacing?
« Reply #11 on: November 22, 2015, 01:58:09 pm »
I BIAB and have settled on 0.88mm (roughly 0.035"). It works for my setup, and it's easy to set/check my gap with one of the dozens of these I have laying around:

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Grain mill roller spacing?
« Reply #12 on: November 22, 2015, 04:25:53 pm »
i have a feeler mil gauge to measure. for malts other than wheat-i use .029. for wheat i use .025.
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Re: Grain mill roller spacing?
« Reply #13 on: November 22, 2015, 06:23:50 pm »
So, from all of the above, it looks like I should set the gap in the 0.030-0.040 inch range and fine tune from there as I get experience with my brew set-up and styles.
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Re: Grain mill roller spacing?
« Reply #14 on: November 22, 2015, 06:51:18 pm »
So, from all of the above, it looks like I should set the gap in the 0.030-0.040 inch range and fine tune from there as I get experience with my brew set-up and styles.
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