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Offline udubdawg

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Re: Get your beer evaluated by a professional judge! Beta testers needed.
« Reply #15 on: November 25, 2015, 04:14:22 AM »
GM doesn't mean much, until I make GM, then it will mean a lot.  I feel the same about the Ninkasi award.  ;D

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Re: Get your beer evaluated by a professional judge! Beta testers needed.
« Reply #16 on: November 25, 2015, 12:55:18 PM »
GM doesn't mean much, until I make GM, then it will mean a lot.  I feel the same about the Ninkasi award.  ;D

Antoch and Burkemper and I are going to undercut,
Act now, 3 / $100!

...to each their own

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Hahahahaha. We gonna take this world by storm!  ;D

But really, who are the GMs? I'm kinda surprised that I've not heard of this.
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Re: Get your beer evaluated by a professional judge! Beta testers needed.
« Reply #17 on: November 25, 2015, 01:30:22 PM »
The BJCP Bylaws do not allow one to charge for judging services. The bylaws do allow reimbursements.

http://www.bjcp.org/docs/BJCP_Bylaws.pdf
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Re: Get your beer evaluated by a professional judge! Beta testers needed.
« Reply #18 on: November 25, 2015, 01:57:47 PM »
What constitutes a "professional beer judge"?

Edit: nevermind. Found it near the bottom.
Double edit: $40?? Our homebrew club membership is a steal at this rate!
Get those service points Amanda, then you can be a professional beer judge!

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Re: Get your beer evaluated by a professional judge! Beta testers needed.
« Reply #19 on: November 25, 2015, 02:01:38 PM »
The BJCP Bylaws do not allow one to charge for judging services. The bylaws do allow reimbursements.

http://www.bjcp.org/docs/BJCP_Bylaws.pdf

Thus the reason for the anonymity of the judges on their website.
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Re: Get your beer evaluated by a professional judge! Beta testers needed.
« Reply #20 on: November 25, 2015, 02:01:55 PM »
Cost of shipping must be a large portion of the expenses.

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Re: Get your beer evaluated by a professional judge! Beta testers needed.
« Reply #21 on: November 25, 2015, 02:08:15 PM »
The BJCP Bylaws do not allow one to charge for judging services. The bylaws do allow reimbursements.

http://www.bjcp.org/docs/BJCP_Bylaws.pdf

Mike, what's the difference here? Reimbursements would be things the judges paid for, and then are given money for exactly that. They aren't paying for shipping. I'm just confused? Too early on the day before Thanksgiving. My brain refuses to work.
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Re: Get your beer evaluated by a professional judge! Beta testers needed.
« Reply #22 on: November 25, 2015, 02:09:39 PM »
Ultimately, people can and do charge for their services. The BJCP prohibition would probably not hold up in court. While I appreciate knowing that these are highly ranked judges and I can have confidence of their skill and findings, its apparent that all this group needs to do is remove any mention of BJCP from their website.

I trust everyone is aware that there are other firms, such as Siebel, that offer beer evaluation services.   
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Get your beer evaluated by a professional judge! Beta testers needed.
« Reply #23 on: November 25, 2015, 02:20:28 PM »
If BJCP judges can't charge and therefore the judges choose to remain anonymous, then how do I know my beer was really evaluated by a BJCP judge?
« Last Edit: November 25, 2015, 05:04:23 PM by alestateyall »

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Re: Get your beer evaluated by a professional judge! Beta testers needed.
« Reply #24 on: November 25, 2015, 02:30:36 PM »
I can see its worth.  Especially if someone is trying to go pro. or really fine tune their brews.  I can't see myself using it, but I can see people using the service.  Plus it would beat getting feedback like some of the comps I've entered.  I like the idea.

+1.

The BJCP thing is worth more discussion though.  I would think a GM should be able to charge for services rendered, regardless of BJCP policies.  If BJCP doesn't like it, and the GM gets stripped of his/her rank.... so what!?  They can't possibly seek monetary damages..... could they???  Ack..... maybe Martin is right.  The OP shouldn't credit BJCP on the website.  What they *could* say instead, though, is that the judges are all "highest ranking officials from a well reknowned beer judging organization (wink wink!)".  I bet they could get away with that.

I like the concept for this service.  Not that I would use it.  But in my novice days, I might have.
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Re: Get your beer evaluated by a professional judge! Beta testers needed.
« Reply #25 on: November 25, 2015, 02:30:44 PM »
GM doesn't mean much, until I make GM, then it will mean a lot.  I feel the same about the Ninkasi award.  ;D

Antoch and Burkemper and I are going to undercut,
Act now, 3 / $100!

...to each their own

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Re: Get your beer evaluated by a professional judge! Beta testers needed.
« Reply #26 on: November 25, 2015, 02:53:58 PM »
What constitutes a "professional beer judge"?

Edit: nevermind. Found it near the bottom.
Double edit: $40?? Our homebrew club membership is a steal at this rate!
Get those service points Amanda, then you can be a professional beer judge!

You might want to keep your day job, I think.

Only 61 more exams to (lead) grade, 2 exams admin'd, and 2 exams proctored left to go to get there! Ha. Should be about 2 more years at that rate if my post it note estimates are right, especially considering I'm taking the PE in April '16 which will have me slowing down on BJCP stuff for a bit.
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Re: Get your beer evaluated by a professional judge! Beta testers needed.
« Reply #27 on: November 25, 2015, 03:02:03 PM »
The PE is easy with proper prep. Just study an hour or two EVERY night for about six months and you'll find it simple. I actually finished early and left when I took it and back then half of it was longhand. ;)

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« Reply #28 on: November 25, 2015, 03:17:37 PM »
I elected not to take the PE, as it is 1) a lot of work for 2) negligible benefit and 3) more responsibility.  Especially if you've already found a stable job, there's really no benefit.  Some companies might give you a few extra bucks.  Mine doesn't.

Plus I probably could never pass it anyway.  ;)

Good luck to all who do try it.
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Re: Get your beer evaluated by a professional judge! Beta testers needed.
« Reply #29 on: November 25, 2015, 03:38:23 PM »
Use of the BJCP name and titles is probably without permission and a violation of the BJCP organization's intellectual property.

BJCP judges taking money for judging in violation of the BJCP rules can and should be stripped of their titles. It is part of the rules of being awarded a title under the BJCP. It's not just a technical issue with the rules but once judges feel comfortable taking pay for their work you are on the precipice of a series of other problems. Once judges start taking money for judging there is less of a chasm between taking money for judging a particular way and objectively judging beer. It also means judges may start to feel they can auction off their services and competitions will end up with fewer highly ranked judges.

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