I wonder how much of the alleged increase in efficiency from a Hochkurz mash is system-dependent. For example, does the grain milling or design of the mash tun make the supposed benefits of a particular mash schedule on efficiency more or less probable? I know for my smaller mash tun (a two gallon cooler) I have to mash on a mid-140s/upper-150s split to get high mash efficiency and a low FG for my saisons. Mashing for the typical 153F for sixty minutes does not produce the same results. I have less of a problem on a larger ten gallon cooler. I wonder if the design of the Zymatic is inherently more efficient for mashing than coolers and other typical homebrewing equipment.
I am wondering the same.
Adam & Matt - I too wonder the same thing. I believe that tracking the conversion efficiency (please, correct me if my thought process is wrong) would be a way to compare apples to apples on that? The conversion efficiency was 91% on each batch, using Kai's (i.e. Narziss') equations. I also had Matt's system (the Sabco) but did not track conversion efficiencies there, so I can't make much speculation.
Adjusted pH in 'kettle' to 5.01, 1.8mL 88% lactic
Was 5.01 the adjusted pre-boil pH? If so, did you also measure the post-boil pH?
Looks like you can do some pretty cool stuff with that Zymatic.
I checked my notes last night - looks like the adjustment reading was taken about 40' into the boil on one and 30' into the boil on another, both were 5.01. I also checked the pH during transfer to the carboys (5.03 & 5.02). I made the adjustment about 5-10' into the boil, but wandered off and nearly forgot to check. I have to wait for equilibrium within the system, but I probably could have taken the reading sooner.
Regardless, I am looking forward to firing off a ton more 'made for me' tests.
Has anyone considered that the increased extract efficiency they get from the separate alpha rest may be a result of incomplete starch gelatinization at 145dF?
That is what happened in this data set. At the end of the 40' beta rest, the mash had not converted fully but did when the temp rose to 158F. I do wonder that if some of the efficiency increase comes from people stirring their mash bed for heating as well - something I cannot test on this system.
As to the yip-yappin':
+1 - How you say things is hugely important. It's the difference between being "Right" and being a "Jerk". It's actually a little harder to be civil, but it makes you look a lot smarter. And it makes the world a lot nicer place to live in.
And people dont summarily dismiss the content...
Amen, brothers.
I find that many people here qualify their statements with 'I've found', 'this works on my system', or 'in my experience'. This keeps the conversations civil and moving forward. Those that state things as absolute fact or as unchallengeable truths tend to be dismissed. It's just a hobby and we are not commercial brewers - I'm sure there is room for more than one way for everyone to do things.