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Red Lager
« on: December 07, 2015, 02:59:17 PM »
Doing a lager run of pale, red, then black. How does this look for something red? Going for something very drinkable with some light hop flavor and aroma.

100% Red X
9 g Magnum 60 min
14 g Palisade 20 min
14 g Palisade 5 min
14 g Hersbrucker 5 min

1.050
~25 IBU
13 SRM

Amber balanced water profile. Mash pH 5.4

W-34/70 slurry from currently fermenting pale lager.

I have some Ahtanum hops that I have never used. I may swap those for the Palisade.
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Re: Red Lager
« Reply #1 on: December 07, 2015, 03:10:13 PM »
Looks good to me. Ahtanum are nice hops, too, BTW.
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Re: Red Lager
« Reply #2 on: December 07, 2015, 03:13:33 PM »
Looks good to me. Ahtanum are nice hops, too, BTW.

Citrusy? Cascade-ish?
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Re: Red Lager
« Reply #3 on: December 07, 2015, 03:20:12 PM »
They are "cascade-ish"

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Re: Red Lager
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Re: Red Lager
« Reply #5 on: December 07, 2015, 04:04:41 PM »
I've done something very similar recently. You might want to bump your late hops a bit if you want some hop flavor and aroma. Between the maltiness of the Red X and the time spent lagering, you're going to find less late hop character in the finished beer. Or at least that was my experience.
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Re: Red Lager
« Reply #6 on: December 07, 2015, 04:08:59 PM »
I've done something very similar recently. You might want to bump your late hops a bit if you want some hop flavor and aroma. Between the maltiness of the Red X and the time spent lagering, you're going to find less late hop character in the finished beer. Or at least that was my experience.

That was the one thing I was concerned about. I have only used Red X once and it was not at 100% so am not too familiar with it. I will plan on more late hops. Thanks for the heads up!
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Re: Red Lager
« Reply #7 on: December 08, 2015, 12:14:47 AM »
I've done something very similar recently. You might want to bump your late hops a bit if you want some hop flavor and aroma. Between the maltiness of the Red X and the time spent lagering, you're going to find less late hop character in the finished beer. Or at least that was my experience.
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Re: Red Lager
« Reply #8 on: December 13, 2015, 06:36:48 PM »
I've done something very similar recently. You might want to bump your late hops a bit if you want some hop flavor and aroma. Between the maltiness of the Red X and the time spent lagering, you're going to find less late hop character in the finished beer. Or at least that was my experience.

Ditto, I've been expirementing a lot with Red X and have found the same.

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Re: Red Lager
« Reply #9 on: December 13, 2015, 07:44:44 PM »
Any recommendations on late hop amounts?

I am thinking of bumping up the Hersbrucker and leaving the rest. I can always add more hops to the keg if I want more punch.

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Re: Red Lager
« Reply #10 on: December 14, 2015, 01:45:02 PM »
looking forward to how this one turns out. i've got my red ale pretty well dialed in, next i'll be looking to develop a red lager that is nothing like the ale.  and this recipe looks pretty in line with that goal.

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Re: Red Lager
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2015, 09:27:42 PM »
Brewing this tomorrow and need a little help. I have decided to simplify and brew my first SMASH with Red X, Palisade Hops, and W34/70.

Shooting for an OG between 1.050 and 1.053. I want the hops to be noticeable but by no means a hoppy lager. With my lack of experience with lagers and Red X, I am not quite sure how to attack this.

Here is what I have
9 g Palisade FWH
9 g Palisade 60 min
22 g Palisade 20 min
22 g Palisade 5 min

~31 IBUs

Is this enough hops to cut through the Red X? I originally had 25 IBUs and decided to bump it up but am still worried this is not enough. My current pale lager ate up the sterling and crystal hops and even the dry hop addition is not perceptible to me.
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Re: Red Lager
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2015, 09:32:49 PM »
what do you mean by cut through the red x?  the IPA I make with red x vs. pale malt didn't present any challenges for me regarding hop taste, aroma.
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Re: Red Lager
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2015, 09:37:23 PM »
what do you mean by cut through the red x?  the IPA I make with red x vs. pale malt didn't present any challenges for me regarding hop taste, aroma.

I thought 100% Red X would be pretty malty and may cover up some hop character. I would think that 100% munich vs 100% pils would change the hop character considerably. Maybe I am mistaken.
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Re: Red Lager
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2015, 09:42:48 PM »
what do you mean by cut through the red x?  the IPA I make with red x vs. pale malt didn't present any challenges for me regarding hop taste, aroma.

I thought 100% Red X would be pretty malty and may cover up some hop character. I would think that 100% munich vs 100% pils would change the hop character considerably. Maybe I am mistaken.

yeah understand you now. so i didn't find it to be a malt bomb. I used 200ppm sulfate and 55ibu, and dry hops also. didn't deviate hop schedule at all as done when i use pale ale malt base.  definitely doesn't taste like you're drinking a rich munich malt beer.

edit: i like a hoppy lager in the 40ibu range, dry crisp. you could go 100ppm sulfate and 40ish IBU and probably be pretty happy for first run.
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