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Offline mpietropaoli

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Pressurized Racking/Transfer
« on: February 09, 2016, 06:48:48 am »
Was thinking about transferring from fermenter to corny keg by going from our conical to the 'Beer Out'/Diptube of a CO2-purged keg.  However, will this work simply by gravity?  Our conical has tri-clover clamp connects and is typically elevated from the floor in our ferment chamber.  Not sure how people set these up unless they are actually fermenting in corny kegs. 

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Re: Pressurized Racking/Transfer
« Reply #1 on: February 09, 2016, 07:39:02 am »
I transfer from better bottles to kegs through the dip tube with gravity. PRV must remain open or a spunding valve needs to be connected to the gas post. It's a very slow transfer.

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Re: Pressurized Racking/Transfer
« Reply #2 on: February 09, 2016, 10:31:47 am »
If your conical can handle of few psi, pumping a bit of CO2 into it will probably help.
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Re: Pressurized Racking/Transfer
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2016, 01:07:40 pm »
I transfer from better bottles to kegs through the dip tube with gravity. PRV must remain open or a spunding valve needs to be connected to the gas post. It's a very slow transfer.

Nice, thanks, I will probably just try with the PRV open.  Have you noticed any benefit in flavor stability since doing this?
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Re: Pressurized Racking/Transfer
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2016, 10:29:09 am »
You also need something to replace the volume of the beer as it flows out of the fermentor. 

I've experimented with a fully closed transfer (where you run a line from the gas in post of the CO2 purged receiving keg to the fermentor), but racking under a bit of pressure seemed to work better for me.
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Re: Pressurized Racking/Transfer
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2016, 10:41:22 am »
but racking under a bit of pressure seemed to work better for me.

so to do this, I would just need to figure out a way to run a CO2-gas line into the top of the fermenter?  If I were to just remove the airlock/bung from the top of the fermenter, would the concern be that o2 is getting in from the top-down?
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Re: Pressurized Racking/Transfer
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2016, 10:45:27 am »
I have been doing closed transfers under CO2 with the conical. 2 PSI in top speeds up the process, my Blichmann is rated for 3 PSI. That is like having a 54+ inch column on top of the beer. The second 5 gallons is where it is noticeable if you do 10 gallon batches.

The Blichmann has a pop off weight, so I am safe. Watch that the regulator pressure does not creep up.

I pull the airlock, and have a barbed fitting that goes into the stopper, the fitting has some tubing with a gas fitting that goes on the CO2 line swivel fitting.
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Re: Pressurized Racking/Transfer
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2016, 11:21:24 am »
but racking under a bit of pressure seemed to work better for me.

so to do this, I would just need to figure out a way to run a CO2-gas line into the top of the fermenter?
 

Yes.  Here is what I did: https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=20241.0

I no longer do the closed transfer though.  I just run a line from the CO2 manifold into the fermentor and pull the PRV on the receiving keg.

If I were to just remove the airlock/bung from the top of the fermenter, would the concern be that o2 is getting in from the top-down?

That is my concern.  It may be unfounded.
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Re: Pressurized Racking/Transfer
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2016, 11:37:23 am »

If I were to just remove the airlock/bung from the top of the fermenter, would the concern be that o2 is getting in from the top-down?

That is my concern.  It may be unfounded.
I don't think it would be much of an issue, at least in my case. I leave behind beer so any oxygen contact is only happening to the waste.