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Offline flbrewer

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Metal Shavings
« on: December 21, 2015, 08:18:09 PM »
I noticed today after cleaning out my mash tun that I had some shiny metal bits below the bottom of the screen. This has happened before (previously with the Barley Crusher, now while using the Monster Mill) and I didn't see anything make it to the final product.

Has anyone ever seen any metal at this point in the process? I can only assume it's from the mill. The volume of shavings is minor and the particles are extremely small. Thoughts?

*FWIW, last time this happened I went so far as to put rare earth magnets on the plastic fermenter and nothing stuck to it.


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Re: Metal Shavings
« Reply #1 on: December 21, 2015, 08:28:44 PM »
If it's persisted across two mills I'd be more inclined to think it's coming in with the malt, or from the mash tun itself. Either way I wouldn't worry about it if it doesn't make it to the package.

FWIW, 300-series stainless steels are non-ferritic and won't adhere to a magnet.
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Re: Metal Shavings
« Reply #2 on: December 22, 2015, 03:38:16 PM »
Is it possible the screen is discharging small pieces of metal?
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Re: Metal Shavings
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2015, 04:06:45 PM »
Is it possible the screen is discharging small pieces of metal?

I think this is far more likely than the mill. Especially when it has persisted after a second mill. I would be very concerned it doesn't take much of that making it into the final product to become a serious health issue.
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Re: Metal Shavings
« Reply #4 on: December 24, 2015, 08:07:14 PM »
Mystery over, after a close look at the rollers I saw the tiny flakes of steel that were coming off (pictures below). When I placed some rare earth magnets over various parts of the rollers, I could see the flakes raise off the rollers. I am really surprised at how much is coming off the rollers. The more I run the magnets over it, the more comes off. I can't imagine any amount of grain would be able to take these shavings off. The fact that this has happened to me with two different mills (assuming two different manufacturers) leads me to believe it's a widespread issue. Perhaps people just aren't catching this or aren't looking?

I'm going to hit it with a wire brush and see if I can't fix this!
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« Last Edit: December 24, 2015, 08:46:30 PM by flbrewer »

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Re: Metal Shavings
« Reply #5 on: December 25, 2015, 01:35:58 PM »
That is crazy! Looks like the knurling wasn't properly completed and cleaned up. I would show those pics to Monster!
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Re: Metal Shavings
« Reply #6 on: December 25, 2015, 08:12:31 PM »
That is crazy! Looks like the knurling wasn't properly completed and cleaned up. I would show those pics to Monster!
+1  It almost looks like plating coming off but that doesn't make sense if it's magnetic.
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Re: Metal Shavings
« Reply #7 on: December 25, 2015, 08:18:27 PM »
... leads me to believe it's a widespread issue. Perhaps people just aren't catching this or aren't looking?

I just got a new Cereal Killer mill that I haven't tried yet.  You bet I'm gonna grind a lb. or two and check it real close after seeing that.
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Re: Metal Shavings
« Reply #8 on: December 25, 2015, 09:19:19 PM »
Someone elsewhere suggested running rice through it on a tight setting. Apparently it's a great cleaner for new mills

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Re: Metal Shavings
« Reply #9 on: December 25, 2015, 10:43:35 PM »
Someone elsewhere suggested running rice through it on a tight setting. Apparently it's a great cleaner for new mills
Thanks, I'll try that.
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Re: Metal Shavings
« Reply #10 on: December 26, 2015, 12:42:27 AM »
It seems very odd that two different mills would have this problem without any other factors involved.  Are there rocks in your malt?
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Re: Metal Shavings
« Reply #11 on: December 26, 2015, 01:27:09 AM »

It seems very odd that two different mills would have this problem without any other factors involved.  Are there rocks in your malt?

I don't think it's odd. I think it's more prevalent than you think. No rocks as far as I know. I buy all my bulk malt from Rahr in 55# sacks. 

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Re: Metal Shavings
« Reply #12 on: December 26, 2015, 02:05:32 AM »
Did you alter the gap at all?

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Re: Metal Shavings
« Reply #13 on: December 26, 2015, 02:26:08 AM »

It seems very odd that two different mills would have this problem without any other factors involved.  Are there rocks in your malt?

I don't think it's odd. I think it's more prevalent than you think. No rocks as far as I know. I buy all my bulk malt from Rahr in 55# sacks.

You saw it at the bottom of your mashtun.  Why haven't other people?  Seems like it would be obvious. I doubt you're actually more observant than other homebrewers who can be... a bit obsessive  ;)
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Re: Metal Shavings
« Reply #14 on: December 26, 2015, 02:32:27 AM »
I've never noticed it, but I haven't looked either. I don't know how one could see the metal with all the grain bits.