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Re: steam step mashing
« Reply #30 on: February 06, 2016, 09:09:20 am »
That makes sense. I was getting some drops coming out of the valve connecting to my short piece of hose I used to connect the 12' hose to my mash tun.


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Re: steam step mashing
« Reply #31 on: February 06, 2016, 02:21:41 pm »
Yeah, I'm thinking a shorter run and some insulation might help a lot then.

Something I've been intrigued by is the idea of using steam to sanitize. I know it's used in full-size breweries, but I'm wondering it it would be feasible to use on a homebrew scale.
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Re: steam step mashing
« Reply #32 on: February 07, 2016, 03:29:40 am »
So went fairly well. I went from 143f to 159.5 in 16 minutes. I'm wondering if I go with shorter tubing from steamer into mash tun if I'd do better with time. I'd like to see this around 7-8 minutes tops , other wise I will go back to infusion step. I am going to find high heat tubing at about 4-5 ft vs the 12ft that came with it.

Nonetheless it was fun experiment.




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Re: steam step mashing
« Reply #33 on: February 07, 2016, 05:29:59 am »
What an interesting application of non brewing tech.

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Re: steam step mashing
« Reply #34 on: February 07, 2016, 06:17:45 am »
Interesting for sure. Hopefully I can make some tweaks to improve.

Yes stirring is necessary. As the steam heats the mash, stir to distribute across the entire mash and raise temps evenly.


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Re: steam step mashing
« Reply #35 on: February 07, 2016, 07:50:23 am »

Interesting for sure. Hopefully I can make some tweaks to improve.

Yes stirring is necessary. As the steam heats the mash, stir to distribute across the entire mash and raise temps evenly.


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I'll be studying your results closely. I like the idea and like others have said, if it works well for mashing it may also double as a method of sanitation for certain items as wells.

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Re: steam step mashing
« Reply #36 on: February 07, 2016, 08:00:29 am »
Something I've been intrigued by is the idea of using steam to sanitize. I know it's used in full-size breweries, but I'm wondering it it would be feasible to use on a homebrew scale.

I've also used my steamer to sanitise corny kegs. Just fit the silicone tube over the screw thread part of the disconnect while connected to the keg and let it rip. Put a disconnect on the other post and the steam will vent from here, sanitising it. I refitted all my o rings on the kegs with silicone o rings which are good for well over 100C.

Steam should also work on HDPE but not on PET carboys unless you want some interesting shaped carboys...

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Re: steam step mashing
« Reply #37 on: February 07, 2016, 10:08:43 am »
looking at that 12" tube that come with it, its really well insulated already. there's a smaller internal tube for steam and then that thicker black plastic you see is around that. if i could cut off a section and add the valve back, I think that would do the trick.
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Re: stick heater for mashing
« Reply #38 on: February 08, 2016, 06:25:09 am »
they sell this one on amazon and at brew stores:

http://www.morebeer.com/products/electric-bucket-heater-1000w.html?gclid=CjwKEAiA58a1BRDw6Jan_PLapw8SJABJz-ZWu3Clex8Eapi_iVoidLUVpdJeK1fKhRJWijRs1ZQv8xoClFbw_wcB

Interesting thread, Ken. I will watch it more closely for your updates.

The bucket heater from Morebeer is similar to what I have. You can find find cheaper versions online, or at farm stores. I think the one I have is around $40. I have to get the courage up to try it in a mash, it has been stated there are no problems doing that. Right now I use it on a timer to preheat mash water, always satisfying to wake up and be ready to mash in.
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Re: stick heater for mashing
« Reply #39 on: February 08, 2016, 06:28:30 am »
they sell this one on amazon and at brew stores:

http://www.morebeer.com/products/electric-bucket-heater-1000w.html?gclid=CjwKEAiA58a1BRDw6Jan_PLapw8SJABJz-ZWu3Clex8Eapi_iVoidLUVpdJeK1fKhRJWijRs1ZQv8xoClFbw_wcB

Interesting thread, Ken. I will watch it more closely for your updates.



The bucket heater from Morebeer is similar to what I have. You can find find cheaper versions online, or at farm stores. I think the one I have is around $40. I have to get the courage up to try it in a mash, it has been stated there are no problems doing that. Right now I use it on a timer to preheat mash water, always satisfying to wake up and be ready to mash in.


you are an engineer, right?  do you think shorter run of 4' vs 12' i used would help transfer more energy/heat into mash?
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Ken- Chagrin Falls, OH
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Re: stick heater for mashing
« Reply #40 on: February 08, 2016, 07:07:36 am »
they sell this one on amazon and at brew stores:

http://www.morebeer.com/products/electric-bucket-heater-1000w.html?gclid=CjwKEAiA58a1BRDw6Jan_PLapw8SJABJz-ZWu3Clex8Eapi_iVoidLUVpdJeK1fKhRJWijRs1ZQv8xoClFbw_wcB

Interesting thread, Ken. I will watch it more closely for your updates.



The bucket heater from Morebeer is similar to what I have. You can find find cheaper versions online, or at farm stores. I think the one I have is around $40. I have to get the courage up to try it in a mash, it has been stated there are no problems doing that. Right now I use it on a timer to preheat mash water, always satisfying to wake up and be ready to mash in.


you are an engineer, right?  do you think shorter run of 4' vs 12' i used would help transfer more energy/heat into mash?
If the hose feels hot, that heat energy is not going into the mash. Sure it will help to have a short run. How much it will help would be a ratio of the heat lost to the heat delivered, which could be a lot or a little. Give it a try, and report back.
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Re: steam step mashing
« Reply #41 on: February 08, 2016, 09:00:12 am »
 :o :o :o :o :o

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Re: steam step mashing
« Reply #42 on: February 08, 2016, 09:18:10 am »
Ken- Chagrin Falls, OH
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Serving:        In Process:
Vienna IPA          O'Fest
Dort
Mead                 
Cider                         
Ger'merican Blonde
Amber Ale
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Re: steam step mashing
« Reply #43 on: February 08, 2016, 10:52:34 am »
:o :o :o :o :o

Bryan- thoughts to share?
Maybe he was commenting on my poor wording.

You will have X generated. Y lost. X-Y=Q. Minimize Y. Improvement will be positive, but you are delivering steam, so not huge.
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steam step mashing
« Reply #44 on: February 08, 2016, 11:09:28 am »
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