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dean:
I was just looking at the competition pages on the AHA calendar, I've got some questions I'm just wondering about.

I've seen prices per entry ranging from $3 to $13... per entry?  The average looks to be about $6.  Whats up with that, why doesn't the AHA set a standard price?

Forms, I thought no recipe was required but its on the AHA form which is required by most clubs.   ???

Number of bottles per entry... I saw one requiring 4 bottles per entry... why so many  ???  check it out... http://www.sudsontheshore.com/rules-a-regulations


denny:
Dean, the AHA doesn't set a price because that's up to the organizers of each individual comp.  They set the price to cover their expenses.  Same thing with number of bottles.  Each comp. decides what they need.  Also, in 12 years of beer comps, I've never gotten an entry form that requires a recipe, so I don't think "most clubs" do.  That only really applies to the NHC, so that winning recipes can be published in Zymurgy.  If a comp. organizer wants to use the AHA form or require recipes, that's up to them individually.  You don't want MORE regulation, do you?  ;)

dean:
Well, they do require the AHA/BJCP Sanctioned Competition Program form, and it does ask for the recipe, OG, FG, yeast used, starter etc. etc. etc.

This past weekend a member on here posted about entering an IPA which was fermented with lager yeast... if a judge read that, it will automatically taint their perception.  How can it be a blind taste test if the judges are told what and how, shouldn't they be able to detect those things without being told?

Hey, as for dollar amounts, that could put a slant on things as well.  jmo...  it seems almost political really.   ;)

denny:

--- Quote from: dean on June 21, 2010, 09:42:20 AM ---Well, they do require the AHA/BJCP Sanctioned Competition Program form, and it does ask for the recipe, OG, FG, yeast used, starter etc. etc. etc.

This past weekend a member on here posted about entering an IPA which was fermented with lager yeast... if a judge read that, it will automatically taint their perception.  How can it be a blind taste test if the judges are told what and how, shouldn't they be able to detect those things without being told?

Hey, as for dollar amounts, that could put a slant on things as well.  jmo...  it seems almost political really.   ;)

--- End quote ---

OK a few quick points...

each comp decides what entry form they want to us.  I've never had to fill one out that asks for the recipe.  Our club certainly doesn't ask or use that form when we have a comp.

the judges NEVER, repeat NEVER, see the entry forms.  Neither do the stewards who serve the beer.  The judges know absolutely nothing about the beer other than what style it was entered as.  So even if lager yeast for an IPA was listed on an entry form, the judges would have no idea.

the $$ amounts are up to each comp.  If you have an issue with them, you need top take it up with the person running that particular comp.

the ONLY comp. the AHA has ANY control over is the National Homebrew comp. (NHC).

hopfenundmalz:
Dean, the judges do not see the recipe.  You only supply the recipe to the NHC if your beer makes it to the 2nd round.  This is for publication in Zymurgy, and it has to be in before the competition to help meet the publication deadlline.  They also ask for a picture at that time for publication.

As Denny says, the fees are to cover costs.  The supplies, awards, lunch for the judges+stewards and the room rental for judging can all add up to a considerable amount.  Some competitions are lucky to break even.  You also need to know that the competitions are run by volunteers.

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