That must be in reference to something in Dan's past but I am not familiar with it. I only bought 3 kits or so before I went to doing some clones, then on to All Grain, but I had no issues with those kits that I could detect as a newbie brewer. Or maybe its an inside joke I am not privy to, either way I think they are a great LHBS and now run a great tasting brewing operation that is spreading quickly through Cincinnati area. I would not hesitate to recommend them to any new brewer in the area, and their brewing education classes are run by Siamese Moose from here on the forum.