[denny]

I had a Torpedo last night (also from the 4-way pack) and I really like it.  Probably my second favorite out of the pack, with #1 being the Rye.  I also like the 5 Hop Experimental.  The Hop Hunter to me is a little weird in the flavor and aroma.  Not bad, just different.  You can tell the difference between the whole hops and the distilled oil.

Different strokes for different folks.

Very much so...I find the rye to be pretty wimpy flavor and rye-wise.

[hopfenundmalz]

For some reason, not a fan.  There's no Cascade in it.  I think one of the reasons I dislike it is the Magnum finishing hops.

Really? I get a very similar aroma compared to the Pale Ale.

Hmmmmm....maybe that explains something! 

Just look at the SN website to see the differences.

Would you believe what they were doing hopping the Pale on the day I toured through Mills River was different from the website? Bravo, cascade, cascade and a little chinook and centennial. Different from the website, but there is a disclaimer on the website.

"Brewing is as much art as science, and all beer specifications and raw materials are subject to change at our brewers' creative discretion."

[denny]

For some reason, not a fan.  There's no Cascade in it.  I think one of the reasons I dislike it is the Magnum finishing hops.

Really? I get a very similar aroma compared to the Pale Ale.

Hmmmmm....maybe that explains something! 

Just look at the SN website to see the differences.

Would you believe what they were doing hopping the Pale on the day I toured through Mills River was different from the website? Bravo, cascade, cascade and a little chinook and centennial. Different from the website, but there is a disclaimer on the website.

"Brewing is as much art as science, and all beer specifications and raw materials are subject to change at our brewers' creative discretion."

Well, there ya go...and I trusted 'em! 

[hopfenundmalz]

For some reason, not a fan.  There's no Cascade in it.  I think one of the reasons I dislike it is the Magnum finishing hops.

Really? I get a very similar aroma compared to the Pale Ale.

Hmmmmm....maybe that explains something! 

Just look at the SN website to see the differences.

Would you believe what they were doing hopping the Pale on the day I toured through Mills River was different from the website? Bravo, cascade, cascade and a little chinook and centennial. Different from the website, but there is a disclaimer on the website.

"Brewing is as much art as science, and all beer specifications and raw materials are subject to change at our brewers' creative discretion."

Well, there ya go...and I trusted 'em! 

That disclaimer showed up a few months back. Too many people must have seen the dry marker board in the hop room.

[denny]

For some reason, not a fan.  There's no Cascade in it.  I think one of the reasons I dislike it is the Magnum finishing hops.

Really? I get a very similar aroma compared to the Pale Ale.

Hmmmmm....maybe that explains something! 

Just look at the SN website to see the differences.

Would you believe what they were doing hopping the Pale on the day I toured through Mills River was different from the website? Bravo, cascade, cascade and a little chinook and centennial. Different from the website, but there is a disclaimer on the website.

"Brewing is as much art as science, and all beer specifications and raw materials are subject to change at our brewers' creative discretion."

Well, there ya go...and I trusted 'em! 

That disclaimer showed up a few months back. Too many people must have seen the dry marker board in the hop room.

So then the question becomes, are they making a different beer when they do that?  I'd argue yes.

[blatz]

yes that is true, but without reading that, would you have known?

[hopfenundmalz]

For some reason, not a fan.  There's no Cascade in it.  I think one of the reasons I dislike it is the Magnum finishing hops.

Really? I get a very similar aroma compared to the Pale Ale.

Hmmmmm....maybe that explains something! 

Just look at the SN website to see the differences.

Would you believe what they were doing hopping the Pale on the day I toured through Mills River was different from the website? Bravo, cascade, cascade and a little chinook and centennial. Different from the website, but there is a disclaimer on the website.

"Brewing is as much art as science, and all beer specifications and raw materials are subject to change at our brewers' creative discretion."

Well, there ya go...and I trusted 'em! 

That disclaimer showed up a few months back. Too many people must have seen the dry marker board in the hop room.

So then the question becomes, are they making a different beer when they do that?  I'd argue yes.

I think they were compensating for a less than optimal Cascade crop. It was 28 lb cascade lot 1, 28 lb cascade lot2, 5 lb chinook, 5 lb centennial. The different lots of cascade in the same addition was also of interest.

Can you make the same beer if the ingredients have changed due to crop differences? We would think nothing about adjustments for AA differences.

[denny]

yes that is true, but without reading that, would you have known?

Maybe...since I'm not a fan of Torpedo I haven't tried it in ages.  I have to think that changing ingredients will change the flavor  At least, that's the way it works in my brewery.

[denny]

I think they were compensating for a less than optimal Cascade crop. It was 28 lb cascade lot 1, 28 lb cascade lot2, 5 lb chinook, 5 lb centennial. The different lots of cascade in the same addition was also of interest.

Can you make the same beer if the ingredients have changed due to crop differences? We would think nothing about adjustments for AA differences.

OK, I can go with that, but they're at least maintaining the same variety of hop.

[blatz]

yes that is true, but without reading that, would you have known?

Maybe...since I'm not a fan of Torpedo I haven't tried it in ages.  I have to think that changing ingredients will change the flavor  At least, that's the way it works in my brewery.

well not just that one, but any of SN's beers.  I think you'd be surprised how many beers (not just SN) change the recipe either due to harvest or supply conditions.  FW and RR are ones that come to mind that also change with some frequency.

[denny]

yes that is true, but without reading that, would you have known?

Maybe...since I'm not a fan of Torpedo I haven't tried it in ages.  I have to think that changing ingredients will change the flavor  At least, that's the way it works in my brewery.

well not just that one, but any of SN's beers.  I think you'd be surprised how many beers (not just SN) change the recipe either due to harvest or supply conditions.  FW and RR are ones that come to mind that also change with some frequency.

Can't think of any names off the top of my head, but I've been able to pick out hop variety changes in other commercial beers.