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My latest peeve....
« on: April 03, 2016, 07:00:31 PM »
"Juicy".....how the hell did this descriptor come about?  What does it mean?  I hear about a "juicy" aroma, which just seems like a total oxymoron.  I hear a beer described as "juicy"...what, it tastes like say, orange juice?  I think I know what people who use the term are getting at, but it seems so incredibly wrong.  Why is juicy used?  WTF does it mean?

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Re: My latest peeve....
« Reply #1 on: April 03, 2016, 07:08:51 PM »
hmmm. I use this term in mead judging. Maybe I shouldn't - but it indicates to me something full, rich like a pure juice of a fruit, or a perfectly ripe fruit that drips down your chin when eating. I try to use it after indicating intensity of more usual terminology... or in my overall impressions.


Example: At the Mazer Cup, I judged a Montmorency cherry chipotle mead. It smelled like cherry pipe tobacco with a medium honey character. The flavors were unctuous and juicy, mouthful of tart cherries and honey with a slow smokey burn that faded with a mild acidity. My mouth is watering just thinking of it.


I certainly think of Ken Schramm's and Michael Fairbrother's berrymels as juicy.


I get what you are saying though. Takes some discipline to avoid nonsensical words.

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Re: My latest peeve....
« Reply #2 on: April 03, 2016, 07:11:40 PM »
I hear you Denny, just another hipster term. Misappropriating words based on what they think they mean and an inability to properly express oneself
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Re: My latest peeve....
« Reply #3 on: April 03, 2016, 07:16:52 PM »
"Juicy".....how the hell did this descriptor come about?  What does it mean?  I hear about a "juicy" aroma, which just seems like a total oxymoron.  I hear a beer described as "juicy"...what, it tastes like say, orange juice?  I think I know what people who use the term are getting at, but it seems so incredibly wrong.  Why is juicy used?  WTF does it mean?

I don't know, I think you're on the right track with the OJ analogy. I was pondering on what kind of aromatic or flavor I could use the term 'juicy' for and El Dorado hops came to mind for me. Big, fruity, "sweet" esters reminiscent of fruit juice could be described as juicy I would say.

It's no more offensive to me than "hoppy" without some context.
« Last Edit: April 03, 2016, 07:20:16 PM by Pinski »
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Re: My latest peeve....
« Reply #4 on: April 03, 2016, 07:19:43 PM »
Maybe it means the same thing that Juicy Couture means. I'm no expert on that either, but I think it's an Atlantic City dialect that roughly translates to "look at my butt". I'm not sure how that translates to describing flavors in beer, but maybe that was your point?

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Re: My latest peeve....
« Reply #5 on: April 03, 2016, 07:31:27 PM »
It makes me instantly think opaque IPA with Citra hops.

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Re: My latest peeve....
« Reply #6 on: April 03, 2016, 07:32:07 PM »
I can see where the 'fruit bomb' APAs/AIPAs (lots of fruity hops only, with no piney or citrusy hops) might lead somebody to use that descriptor. Seems like a pretty silly word though, especially where there's no fruit or juice  involved.
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Re: My latest peeve....
« Reply #7 on: April 03, 2016, 07:33:57 PM »
I hear you Denny, just another hipster term. Misappropriating words based on what they think they mean and an inability to properly express oneself

Can I adopt you?   ;D
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Re: My latest peeve....
« Reply #8 on: April 03, 2016, 07:34:51 PM »
It makes me instantly think opaque IPA with Citra hops.

Sure, we all do, but that doesn't make it less nonsensical.
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Re: My latest peeve....
« Reply #9 on: April 03, 2016, 07:40:14 PM »
Agree on the hipster terminology.   I would need to try one to fully understand.   I'm curious about this New England IPA thing. 

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Re: My latest peeve....
« Reply #10 on: April 03, 2016, 07:45:57 PM »
I make an APA with mostly Azacca that does have a pronounced ripe peach aroma and flavor. FWIW I don't go all hipster with the terminology.   ;)
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Re: My latest peeve....
« Reply #11 on: April 03, 2016, 07:48:44 PM »
 ??? Ok, well.  When I go downtown on Wednesday. I'll let them know "juicy" is theirs.  ;)
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Re: My latest peeve....
« Reply #12 on: April 03, 2016, 07:56:12 PM »
??? Ok, well.  When I go downtown on Wednesday. I'll let them know "juicy" is theirs.  ;)


No offense intended, Steve. Just being silly. I'm prone to that. ;D
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Re: My latest peeve....
« Reply #13 on: April 03, 2016, 08:12:02 PM »
??? Ok, well.  When I go downtown on Wednesday. I'll let them know "juicy" is theirs.  ;)


No offense intended, Steve. Just being silly. I'm prone to that. ;D

None taken John, that's my natural state as well.
Guess I didn't know this was a thing.
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Re: My latest peeve....
« Reply #14 on: April 03, 2016, 08:16:26 PM »
??? Ok, well.  When I go downtown on Wednesday. I'll let them know "juicy" is theirs.  ;)


No offense intended, Steve. Just being silly. I'm prone to that. ;D

None taken John, that's my natural state as well.
Guess I didn't know this was a thing.


I think it's an age/generational thing mostly. I have a couple nephews who just turned legal drinking age and they're big into craft beer and almost exclusively IPAs (go figure). Every other beer they try is allegedly 'juicy'. Oh well, all good.
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