[MDixon]

They don't sound the same to me at all.

[denny]

Denny, was it this one?: http://hopwhisperer.blogspot.com/2015/12/x-17-hops-tasting-notes.html

Yep.

Denny, just to double check, these are the same as X17 ?  I ask because Mike posted that quote from Ted where Ted says that they were originally called G1. Just curious.

Maybe not.  Might have misunderstood what Bob was saying.

[denny]

I'm just not sure.  They do sound a lot alike to me.  I'll have to contact Ted and see if he'll tell me what farm they're from.

[MDixon]

Think tropical, citrus, and pine...not orange and lemon zest, at least not in the single hop pale ale I had.

[HoosierBrew]

I'm just not sure.  They do sound a lot alike to me.  I'll have to contact Ted and see if he'll tell me what farm they're from.

They sound great regardless. I was just curious.

[FaradayUncaged]

Think tropical, citrus, and pine...not orange and lemon zest, at least not in the single hop pale ale I had.

Do you think it would mingle well with Mosaic, or best to add it with a more normal C hop?

[MDixon]

I think that would work, personally I would probably bitter with the Mosaic and then use the Cleopatra for flavor and aroma.

[narvin]

Juicy beef broth and tendon.  Wait, that's the Pho I just had...

[HoosierBrew]

Juicy beef broth and tendon.  Wait, that's the Pho I just had...

Pretty funny stuff. Pho is certainly 'juicy'.   

[FaradayUncaged]

I think that would work, personally I would probably bitter with the Mosaic and then use the Cleopatra for flavor and aroma.

I may try just that in a pale ale.  Looking at potentially using the SNPA recipe but changing out the hops:
http://wiki.homebrewersassociation.org/NearlyNirvanaPaleAle