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Dry hopping a beer that'll be aged...pointless?
« on: April 11, 2016, 09:48:37 PM »
Like the subject says. I've got a 10.0% abv Saison that I intend to lay down for a while...I'm about a week out from bottling. Dry hop with an ounce of EKG, yes or no?
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Re: Dry hopping a beer that'll be aged...pointless?
« Reply #1 on: April 11, 2016, 09:55:43 PM »
Whats a while?

I dont think an ounce, presumably in 5 gallons, would do a whole lot for aroma even fresh. But some subtle complexity on the nose, sure.

In the end I dont think it would necessarily hurt the beer, but after a year I suspect at best it would be unnoticeable. At worst it might bring a little extra O2 to the party which might show up as oxidation.

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Re: Dry hopping a beer that'll be aged...pointless?
« Reply #2 on: April 11, 2016, 10:06:35 PM »
If you were using a hop that would be more noticeable and in higher amounts then I would say go for it, but with EKG at 1 oz only, it will hardly be noticeable by the time the beer has mellowed enough to drink. I vote save it for something else.

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Re: Dry hopping a beer that'll be aged...pointless?
« Reply #3 on: April 11, 2016, 10:17:39 PM »
An oz would just be lost in a big aged beer. I wouldn't bother, Phil. BTW, how low did the saison finish?
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Re: Dry hopping a beer that'll be aged...pointless?
« Reply #4 on: April 11, 2016, 10:24:53 PM »
I don't put beers up anymore except beers like that. Why not over-hop initially in the boil so that the ibu's are where you want them after a year or so not at 2 weeks? You'll lose perhaps 50% of your bu's over the course of 12 months.
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Re: Dry hopping a beer that'll be aged...pointless?
« Reply #5 on: April 11, 2016, 10:59:35 PM »
If you want the dry hop character AND the aged character why not bulk age and then dry hop in a year before packaging? best of both worlds
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Re: Dry hopping a beer that'll be aged...pointless?
« Reply #6 on: April 11, 2016, 11:25:35 PM »
An oz would just be lost in a big aged beer. I wouldn't bother, Phil. BTW, how low did the saison finish?

Bit of a story there. Seeing as this was my first attempt to brew using plato, my conversions to SG were off. Actual OG was 1.076, corrected FG is 1.006. (18.6 P and 6.7 P, respectively.)

That FG reading has been stable for a week, so I'm going to bottle it next weekend. Ended up really good, doesn't taste like it's a 10%ish abv beer at all. Really wine like. Not as bitter as I was aiming for, it's balanced to a little bitter. I aimed high for my target bitterness, more bitter than is typical for a saison, and I'm glad I did. Between overshooting my gravity and the effects that has on hop utilization I ended way lower than my ~5.4 bitterness/OG ratio.

But in spite of all of that, the beer turned out really well. Very dry and wine like, with a good maltiness. I don't think I'll use pale ale malt for a saison this way again, it doesn't fit as well as pilsner IMO. Certainly isn't bad, however.

Now that I'm confident the beer has finished fermenting, based on how it tastes I don't think I'll age it overly long. I'll probably start tapping into it in  the July/August timeframe. I don't think it would benefit from extended aging like I was hoping.

I don't put beers up anymore except beers like that. Why not over-hop initially in the boil so that the ibu's are where you want them after a year or so not at 2 weeks? You'll lose perhaps 50% of your bu's over the course of 12 months.

That was the goal, though I missed my intended target. (In more ways than one...)

So if I'll be drinking it in 3 months, then what for the dry hopping? Up it to 2.5 ounces? I don't want this beer overly hoppy, just a bit hoppy.
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Re: Dry hopping a beer that'll be aged...pointless?
« Reply #7 on: April 11, 2016, 11:28:20 PM »
Sounds like it'll be nice!
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Re: Dry hopping a beer that'll be aged...pointless?
« Reply #8 on: April 11, 2016, 11:39:30 PM »
I sometimes wonder with these highly attenuating phenolic yeasts if they might interact with high dry hopping over time in really interesting ways like with brett. When I do my saisons this year at least one batch is getting a good 150 grams of dry hopping just to see what they do over time.

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Re: Dry hopping a beer that'll be aged...pointless?
« Reply #9 on: April 11, 2016, 11:42:42 PM »
I'm definitely leaning towards dosing this one with hops, the question is, how much?
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Re: Dry hopping a beer that'll be aged...pointless?
« Reply #10 on: April 12, 2016, 12:56:05 AM »
Whelp, it's done now. 3.5 oz. of EKG, will bottle sometime this weekend.
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Re: Dry hopping a beer that'll be aged...pointless?
« Reply #11 on: April 12, 2016, 01:01:01 AM »
There you go...go big or go home...
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Re: Dry hopping a beer that'll be aged...pointless?
« Reply #12 on: April 12, 2016, 01:01:59 AM »
Why not?

I mean, has dry hopping ever made a beer worse?

Damn the style guidelines, full steam ahead!
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Re: Dry hopping a beer that'll be aged...pointless?
« Reply #13 on: April 12, 2016, 08:23:53 AM »
Why not split the batch, and compare them?
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Re: Dry hopping a beer that'll be aged...pointless?
« Reply #14 on: April 12, 2016, 02:37:45 PM »
Why not?

I mean, has dry hopping ever made a beer worse?

Damn the style guidelines, full steam ahead!

Doesn't dry-hopping improve the stability of the beer? I've always thought so.
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