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Offline PORTERHAUS

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Re: 4 Englishman walk into a bar....
« Reply #30 on: April 20, 2016, 11:18:13 AM »
I very much appreciated the input from everyone but i'm looking for opinions on just the following:

Munton's Regular, Munton's Gold
Notty/Windsor
S-04

I have used the liquid strains and love them but am looking for dry options for a while.

I am very much a dry yeast user except for very specific styles. For the beers I brew, there are plenty of dry yeast to the job, and do the job well for the cost, reliability and ease of use.

That being said I'll add my .2 cents with what I have used.

Munton's Regular, Munton's Gold - I have tried Munton's Gold based on the suggestions here that it is like you mentioned the closest thing to 1968. After using it, I do not know how I compare the two. I would say they are similar flavor wise. What I did find is it did not clear for crap. Is it claimed to be a flocculant yeast like 1968? I haven't used the Munton's Regular based on advice to use the Gold instead. But hell, try them both.

Out of the beers you listed I would try the Gold in a Mild or Bitter. Except I would adjust recipe and or mash temp for more mouthfeel so the beers are not overly thin.

Notty/Windsor -Haven't tried the combo but just like Munton's Gold I have heard good things. This combo might be good for the Mild you want to brew.

S-04 - I have used this yeast a lot over the years. Since people either love it or hate it I'm in the camp that I do like it. I have found it quite usable. I like it in an English Bitter. It gets to work, clears fast and gets the job done with decent flavors and esters...but it is temperature sensitive. I like to use it around 66*. I'm sure it can go lower but it gets too clean/nuetral. Go warmer like 68, 70* and I have notice more fruity esters and even more of the sour/tangy note it has. Around 66* I get that nice balance of clean, bready with mild English esters.

I recomend s-04 for a Bitter. That is the style I have used it most. I have also made American Pale Ales, a Blonde Ale with it and I really liked it in an American IPA. It just depends. I'm sure it would also be great in a Barleywine. I have used it in a Porters, Stouts and Brown Ales. It does fine with those but I do not prefer it in darker beers as much as I do a Bitter. Again, depends I guess.

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Re: 4 Englishman walk into a bar....
« Reply #31 on: April 20, 2016, 12:14:16 PM »
Derek, just another note. Munton's Gold (2 packs) took my challenge beer, a smoked porter, from 1.071 down right to my projected target of 1.018. These were beersmith projections as well as the extract kit instructions from my LHBS. I have not used many liquid strains, so I really cannot compare it for you, but its what came with the kit and performed as expected. The final tasting notes will come from PeteB after I ship for Spring swap next week.
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Re: 4 Englishman walk into a bar....
« Reply #32 on: April 20, 2016, 12:31:17 PM »
Derek, just another note. Munton's Gold (2 packs) took my challenge beer, a smoked porter, from 1.071 down right to my projected target of 1.018. These were beersmith projections as well as the extract kit instructions from my LHBS. I have not used many liquid strains, so I really cannot compare it for you, but its what came with the kit and performed as expected. The final tasting notes will come from PeteB after I ship for Spring swap next week.

Good to know Frank. I like the 6 gram packages for my small batches. I'm going to pick up 1 pack each of Notty, Windsor, Munton's Gold and Regular and S-04 and have a shootout.

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Re: 4 Englishman walk into a bar....
« Reply #33 on: April 20, 2016, 12:39:54 PM »
I agree with Porterhaus that S04 makes good English bitter with nice yeast character. Be aware that it strips out hop flavour, so if you want a hop-forward style then add some dry hops.

I haven't tried notty+Windsor but the combination sounds very interesting. According to Danstar, Nottingham was originally isolated from a multi strain English yeast, so using it that way is true to style. On its own it's no good for yeast-forward English bitter - it's dry, tart and very neutral, almost like a lager yeast. Fine for crisp golden ales and hop-forward beers though.

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Re: 4 Englishman walk into a bar....
« Reply #34 on: April 20, 2016, 12:41:03 PM »
I agree with Porterhaus that S04 makes good English bitter with nice yeast character. Be aware that it strips out hop flavour, so if you want a hop-forward style then add some dry hops.

I haven't tried notty+Windsor but the combination sounds very interesting. According to Danstar, Nottingham was originally isolated from a multi strain English yeast, so using it that way is true to style. On its own it's no good for yeast-forward English bitter - it's dry, tart and very neutral, almost like a lager yeast. Fine for crisp golden ales and hop-forward beers though.

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Re: 4 Englishman walk into a bar....
« Reply #35 on: April 20, 2016, 02:43:21 PM »
Belgian beers are delicious but can be wickedly strong. British beers are better if want something that you can drink by the pint. Either way yeast choice is key to getting character.

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Re: 4 Englishman walk into a bar....
« Reply #36 on: April 20, 2016, 02:55:29 PM »
I very much appreciated the input from everyone but i'm looking for opinions on just the following:
Munton's Regular, Munton's Gold
st use a couple of packets of Nottingham.Notty/Windsor
S-04

I've never used Windsor or Munton's gold, but I've used regular Munton's in ordinary bitter and British pale ale and mild and cider with good results. I use Nottingham in brown ale. And I've used S-04 in several different ales with good results.
In a month or so I'm planning on doing a British IPA with the S-04 and/or the Munton's.
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Re: 4 Englishman walk into a bar....
« Reply #37 on: April 20, 2016, 03:16:18 PM »
I haven't tried notty+Windsor but the combination sounds very interesting. According to Danstar, Nottingham was originally isolated from a multi strain English yeast, so using it that way is true to style. On its own it's no good for yeast-forward English bitter - it's dry, tart and very neutral, almost like a lager yeast. Fine for crisp golden ales and hop-forward beers though.

I stopped using it because of the tartness.  I find it very off-putting.
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Re: 4 Englishman walk into a bar....
« Reply #38 on: April 21, 2016, 10:52:55 AM »
I haven't tried notty+Windsor but the combination sounds very interesting. According to Danstar, Nottingham was originally isolated from a multi strain English yeast, so using it that way is true to style. On its own it's no good for yeast-forward English bitter - it's dry, tart and very neutral, almost like a lager yeast. Fine for crisp golden ales and hop-forward beers though.

I stopped using it because of the tartness.  I find it very off-putting.

Yes the tart/dry thing is odd in some kinds of beer. I think it's OK in crisp, hybrid style beers halfway between ale and lager, probably good in cider, but US05 is better for pale ales and just tastes more beerlike than Nottingham to me.

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Re: 4 Englishman walk into a bar....
« Reply #39 on: April 21, 2016, 08:05:37 PM »
I've recently tried Mangrove Jack's Burton in a bitter and it turned out really drinkable.  I don't know what an English bitter should taste like, but I like it.
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Re: 4 Englishman walk into a bar....
« Reply #40 on: April 23, 2016, 07:43:29 AM »
I've recently tried Mangrove Jack's Burton in a bitter and it turned out really drinkable.  I don't know what an English bitter should taste like, but I like it.
+1. I have a Bitter made with MJ Burton on right now. The beer is delicious.

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Re: 4 Englishman walk into a bar....
« Reply #41 on: April 23, 2016, 10:00:45 AM »
I've recently tried Mangrove Jack's Burton in a bitter and it turned out really drinkable.  I don't know what an English bitter should taste like, but I like it.
+1. I have a Bitter made with MJ Burton on right now. The beer is delicious.

I have wanted to try the MJ Burnton Union with an Ordinary Bitter specifically. I have tried 2 other MJ yeasts. While I didn't care for the MJ M07 British Ale in the last Ordinary Bitter, it did perform as described. It is very much like WLP007. It was just to neutral and dry for an Ordinary Bitter. I also used the MJ Bohemian Lager with great results for a Lager and a Steam Beer. Looking at the MJ website, they are listing a few more new yeasts, a couple more Belgian strains, another Lager Strain, and a couple more Ale strains. Hmm, I need to check them out some more.