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Re: "Juicy" IPA
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2016, 01:28:57 PM »
So, what's the idea with the sodium?  I'm not against it, just wondering since the only time I've intentionally bumped up the sodium level was for dark stouts.
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Re: "Juicy" IPA
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2016, 02:16:56 PM »
So, what's the idea with the sodium?  I'm not against it, just wondering since the only time I've intentionally bumped up the sodium level was for dark stouts.
My thought was to use just enough to boost the malt character. I usually target about 40ppm in my malty lagers and I do feel that it helps with the malt character a bit. That would also let me boost my chloride while keeping Calcium on the lower side. I figure you don't want to give any extra encouragement for flocculation in this style.

I did notice a just barely-threshold salty character to the Trillium IPA's that I wasn't a fan of. I'm not sure if it is from sodium, chloride or some combination of the two. Regardless, I'm scrapping my original plan with the water treatment and going 150ppm SO4, 80ppm Cl and no additional sodium, which is what I've settled on as my preferred treatment for my hoppier ales. I find that it is just enough sulfate to give a bit of dryness without much of a "minerally" character.
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Re: "Juicy" IPA
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2016, 02:18:10 PM »
Doh! I can't think of locals to send you in the swap that you can't get yourself and I was thinking I would get you some trillium at Yankee Spirits.
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Re: "Juicy" IPA
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2016, 02:30:24 PM »
I'm about ready to call BS on the whole "the beer is cloudy becasue it's so hoppy" thing.  I have had PNW IPAs that had every bit as much hop aroma and flavor and were crystal clear.

Ppl often make these blanket statements but rarely offer up a beer to try that compares. 

Cheers to the other brewer mentioning Heretic as one he prefers.  I disagree with his assessment (particularly on aroma), but at least he mentioned a beer.  I would agree that these hazy IPAs are slightly thin and the IBUs are much closer to APAs than IPAs, but the aroma on the Trillium and Tree House beers are out of this world.  To me and my palate, the combo of over-the-top hop aroma with thinner body and lower IBUs, makes the beers overly crushable.  I have to mentally stop myself from gulping the beer.  Similar to pounding a Gatorade after a game of basketball. 

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Re: "Juicy" IPA
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2016, 03:04:50 PM »
I'm about ready to call BS on the whole "the beer is cloudy becasue it's so hoppy" thing.  I have had PNW IPAs that had every bit as much hop aroma and flavor and were crystal clear.

Ppl often make these blanket statements but rarely offer up a beer to try that compares. 

Cheers to the other brewer mentioning Heretic as one he prefers.  I disagree with his assessment (particularly on aroma), but at least he mentioned a beer.  I would agree that these hazy IPAs are slightly thin and the IBUs are much closer to APAs than IPAs, but the aroma on the Trillium and Tree House beers are out of this world.  To me and my palate, the combo of over-the-top hop aroma with thinner body and lower IBUs, makes the beers overly crushable.  I have to mentally stop myself from gulping the beer.  Similar to pounding a Gatorade after a game of basketball.

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Re: "Juicy" IPA
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2016, 03:07:58 PM »
Haha!  I mentioned breweries so I thought it was implied. Julius, Sap, Haze, Alter Ego, Lights Off, DDH Congress St, DDH Fort Point, Artaic, etc.


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Re: "Juicy" IPA
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2016, 03:09:22 PM »
Doh! I can't think of locals to send you in the swap that you can't get yourself and I was thinking I would get you some trillium at Yankee Spirits.
Insert "crying laughter" emoji here. You anywhere near Tree House?
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Re: "Juicy" IPA
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2016, 03:21:08 PM »

Hey Denny!

I will be asking for your help to get rid of the haze on my most recent brew (bottling tomorrow).

I don't know much but it seems like the haze is because of all the flaked oats being used (20% in my batch).

How would you recommend clearing up this style of beer?

Start by cold crashing.  If that doesn't work, try gelatin.
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Re: "Juicy" IPA
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2016, 03:23:06 PM »
I'm about ready to call BS on the whole "the beer is cloudy becasue it's so hoppy" thing.  I have had PNW IPAs that had every bit as much hop aroma and flavor and were crystal clear.

Ppl often make these blanket statements but rarely offer up a beer to try that compares. 


Thought I had...maybe that was another discussion.  I'd say Sticky Hands from Block 15 in Corvallis or the AIPA/DIPA (whose names I can't recall) from Bale Breaker.
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Re: "Juicy" IPA
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2016, 03:24:30 PM »
Haha!  I mentioned breweries so I thought it was implied. Julius, Sap, Haze, Alter Ego, Lights Off, DDH Congress St, DDH Fort Point, Artaic, etc.


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I have had Sap, Haze, Alter ego and a couple others from Treehouse, as well as an IPA from Building 8.  I have about 5 more NE IPAs to go through before I post my thoughts on the website.
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Re: "Juicy" IPA
« Reply #25 on: April 19, 2016, 03:41:22 PM »
To me and my palate, the combo of over-the-top hop aroma with thinner body and lower IBUs, makes the beers overly crushable.

So, how do you crush a beer?  I've crushed the can before but it's extremely hard to compress liquid.

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Re: "Juicy" IPA
« Reply #26 on: April 19, 2016, 03:47:22 PM »
To me and my palate, the combo of over-the-top hop aroma with thinner body and lower IBUs, makes the beers overly crushable.

So, how do you crush a beer?  I've crushed the can before but it's extremely hard to compress liquid.



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Re: "Juicy" IPA
« Reply #27 on: April 19, 2016, 04:02:34 PM »
Loved TKitH as a kid!  Certainly not a pet peeve of mine!!  Maybe gulpable works better for you?  Or we can go Belgian and use 'digestibility'? 


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Re: "Juicy" IPA
« Reply #28 on: April 19, 2016, 04:04:11 PM »
extremely impossible to crush liquid... oh I get it a chem joke! haha
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« Reply #29 on: April 19, 2016, 04:06:34 PM »
Loved TKitH as a kid!  Certainly not a pet peeve of mine!!  Maybe gulpable works better for you?  Or we can go Belgian and use 'digestibility'? 


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Digestibility is an infinitely more useful term than Crushable.