[JJeffers09]

or English "Quaffable"

[narvin]

Or Bud Light's "Drinkability" 

[theDarkSide]

Funny that this showed up on the AHA page today.

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/how-to-brew/beer-haze-cloudy-homebrew

I suspect collusion.

[narvin]

It's not a bug, it's a feature!

[mbbransc]

Loved TKitH as a kid!  Certainly not a pet peeve of mine!!  Maybe gulpable works better for you?  Or we can go Belgian and use 'digestibility'? 


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Digestibility is an infinitely more useful term than Crushable.

Good thing I didn't stop after "crushable" and actually described what I meant.  Otherwise, no one would ever understand!! 

Cheers!

[mbbransc]

I'm about ready to call BS on the whole "the beer is cloudy becasue it's so hoppy" thing.  I have had PNW IPAs that had every bit as much hop aroma and flavor and were crystal clear.

Ppl often make these blanket statements but rarely offer up a beer to try that compares. 

Thought I had...maybe that was another discussion.  I'd say Sticky Hands from Block 15 in Corvallis or the AIPA/DIPA (whose names I can't recall) from Bale Breaker.

Thanks Denny for a couple specific beers.  I haven't had any of those so something to look for.  Living in NC, I feel like getting (even super fresh) IPAs shipped from the West Coast, I'm not seeing their true character.  I wonder if you're experiencing something similar have East Coast beers shipped across country.  I know you'll be on the East Coast in June.  Maybe someone will arrange to bring you some freshies to try.

One example I can think of is Tropicalia from Creature Comforts in Athens.  It's a clear beer with a huge hop nose on it... but I still don't think it's to the level of those hazy NE IPAs.  Maybe it's perception (we taste/smell with our eyes first, right), but that's been my take on it for the past year+.

Cheers!

[toby]

I wonder if you're experiencing something similar have East Coast beers shipped across country.  I know you'll be on the East Coast in June.  Maybe someone will arrange to bring you some freshies to try.

I don't think the freshness is the issue.  His point is more that the haze isn't from the hops and you don't need haze for it to taste and smell hoppy.

[mbbransc]

Right. I understand his point, but all the examples we've discussed are 3,000 miles away from him.


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[denny]

I wonder if you're experiencing something similar have East Coast beers shipped across country.  I know you'll be on the East Coast in June.  Maybe someone will arrange to bring you some freshies to try.

I don't think the freshness is the issue.  His point is more that the haze isn't from the hops and you don't need haze for it to taste and smell hoppy.

99% right on, Toby!  But I don't know what the haze is from in these beers.  Could be one or more of a number of things.  But the flavor is definitely there, and I don't feel it's ;lacking or that the beers are not fresh.  It's more like I feel the haze is muting the flavors.

[narvin]

I think a lot of times it's yeast.  I know that Heady Topper is "supposed" to be consumed incredibly fresh, and from the can (constantly stirring up the yeast), and I suspect that's because the yeast has taken a lot of hop flavor with it when it falls out.  IPAs don't age well in general, but this one seems to go downhill particularly fast.

[mbbransc]

Heady drops clear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amgfgU5-lhs

I did a personal test with a can some years ago and let one sit in the fridge for 6-mo.  It was indeed clear and still better than 90% of the IPAs out.

[RPIScotty]

Heady drops clear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amgfgU5-lhs

I did a personal test with a can some years ago and let one sit in the fridge for 6-mo.  It was indeed clear and still better than 90% of the IPAs out.

That's not saying much. 90% of the IPAs out are horrible.

[mbbransc]

Heady drops clear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amgfgU5-lhs

I did a personal test with a can some years ago and let one sit in the fridge for 6-mo.  It was indeed clear and still better than 90% of the IPAs out.

That's not saying much. 90% of the IPAs out are horrible.

Now that is something I can agree with!  Haha!

[RPIScotty]

Heady drops clear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amgfgU5-lhs

I did a personal test with a can some years ago and let one sit in the fridge for 6-mo.  It was indeed clear and still better than 90% of the IPAs out.

That's not saying much. 90% of the IPAs out are horrible.

Now that is something I can agree with!  Haha!

I'm personally not a huge PA/IPA fan but do have some favorites:

Uinta Hop Nosh, Southern Tier IPA and XIPA, Corne Du Diable, Ithaca Flower Power, SN Pale Ale, etc.

Those are the ones I drink regularly. I typically don't seek them out but drink a good one when it's recommended.

[narvin]

Heady drops clear

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=amgfgU5-lhs

I did a personal test with a can some years ago and let one sit in the fridge for 6-mo.  It was indeed clear and still better than 90% of the IPAs out.

Yeah, that supports my theory that it's yeast.  I still think it loses a lot of flavor after a few months though.