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Ridiculous recipes on AHA
« on: May 01, 2016, 07:45:22 PM »
My suggestion, how about you round up or down to whole numbers for weighing ingredients.  I get inputing these recipes as is from home brewers, but if you're wanting newer home brewers to not over think this awesome hobby, lets make it easer for them.  my rant for the day

http://www.homebrewersassociation.org/homebrew-recipe/spokonoy-nochi-13/

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Re: Ridiculous recipes on AHA
« Reply #1 on: May 01, 2016, 09:19:30 PM »
Ha! Some people scale their recipes in that fashion.  I like to work in percentages as it is much easier to input that into a recipator.

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Re: Ridiculous recipes on AHA
« Reply #2 on: May 01, 2016, 09:25:12 PM »
When I see things like this, I wonder if it is scaling up or down, or converting from SI units to English. I have not done any math to see which it is.
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Re: Ridiculous recipes on AHA
« Reply #3 on: May 01, 2016, 11:24:54 PM »
When I see things like this, I wonder if it is scaling up or down, or converting from SI units to English. I have not done any math to see which it is.

You could be right. I use beersmith and if I was scaling you can't even enter to the 1,000th of a decimal. It's rounds it up automatically

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Re: Ridiculous recipes on AHA
« Reply #4 on: May 01, 2016, 11:36:38 PM »
  I like to work in percentages as it is much easier to input that into a recipator.


Yep, recipes speak a common language in %. A guy's efficiency is then irrelevant.
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Re: Ridiculous recipes on AHA
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2016, 06:47:49 PM »
  I like to work in percentages as it is much easier to input that into a recipator.


Yep, recipes speak a common language in %. A guy's efficiency is then irrelevant.

I don't agree that efficiency is irrelevant.  I recently read a post of this forum where someone got
55% efficiency with a high-gravity brew.  If you were wishing  to use the same recipe and brew a beer with less gravity and perhaps 70% efficiency, I think that difference of 15% would  result in a substantial adjustment to your malt bill.
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Re: Ridiculous recipes on AHA
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2016, 06:53:32 PM »
  I like to work in percentages as it is much easier to input that into a recipator.


Yep, recipes speak a common language in %. A guy's efficiency is then irrelevant.

I don't agree that efficiency is irrelevant.  I recently read a post of this forum where someone got
55% efficiency with a high-gravity brew.  If you were wishing  to use the same recipe and brew a beer with less gravity and perhaps 70% efficiency, I think that difference of 15% would  result in a substantial adjustment to your malt bill.
I think the point was if you express your malt bill in percentages, then it is in a common language regardless of your batch size, efficiency or units (i.e., lb vs kg). You simply use enough grain to hit the target OG for your system.

Saying a grain bill is 8 pounds of one malt and 1.5 pounds of another is only relevant on that brewer's system. Percentages of a whole is relevant on every system.
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Re: Ridiculous recipes on AHA
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2016, 06:57:04 PM »
  I like to work in percentages as it is much easier to input that into a recipator.


Yep, recipes speak a common language in %. A guy's efficiency is then irrelevant.

I don't agree that efficiency is irrelevant.  I recently read a post of this forum where someone got
55% efficiency with a high-gravity brew.  If you were wishing  to use the same recipe and brew a beer with less gravity and perhaps 70% efficiency, I think that difference of 15% would  result in a substantial adjustment to your malt bill.
I think the point was if you express your malt bill in percentages, then it is in a common language regardless of your batch size, efficiency or units (i.e., lb vs kg). You simply use enough grain to hit the target OG for your system.

Saying a grain bill is 8 pounds of one malt and 1.5 pounds of another is only relevant on that brewer's system. Percentages of a whole is relevant on every system.


Yep.
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Re: Ridiculous recipes on AHA
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2016, 10:54:10 PM »
Recipes like that drive me nuts. But even if it just gave %'s, you would still most likely have to round the amounts once you adjusted them for your efficiency.
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Re: Ridiculous recipes on AHA
« Reply #9 on: May 02, 2016, 11:01:49 PM »
Percentages don't always scale right either. Let's imagine I'm brewing a beer with 3% black patent at 80% efficiency. I give it to a buddy to brew on his 50% system and he scales it up. He will likely much more roast flavor in his beer.

I think the 70% 5 gallon standard is useful as a starting point. Sure it's tough for new users that aren't brewing 5 gallons at 70%, but once a brewer learns his/her system it's easy enough to adapt.

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Re: Ridiculous recipes on AHA
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2016, 01:43:46 PM »
I recently was given a recipe from a local brewery that they brew on a 700 gal. system.  Their efficiency is  7% better than mine.  I've scaled it down to a 5-gal batch and adjusted for the difference in efficiency.  According to the spreadsheet I use, the hops calculation was significantly off.

It will be the next beer i brew.
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Re: Ridiculous recipes on AHA
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2016, 01:52:35 PM »
I recently was given a recipe from a local brewery that they brew on a 700 gal. system.  Their efficiency is  7% better than mine.  I've scaled it down to a 5-gal batch and adjusted for the difference in efficiency.  According to the spreadsheet I use, the hops calculation was significantly off.

It will be the next beer i brew.
Try to scale the hop additions is more difficult, IMHO.
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Re: Ridiculous recipes on AHA
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2016, 03:33:14 PM »
I recently was given a recipe from a local brewery that they brew on a 700 gal. system.  Their efficiency is  7% better than mine.  I've scaled it down to a 5-gal batch and adjusted for the difference in efficiency.  According to the spreadsheet I use, the hops calculation was significantly off.

It will be the next beer i brew.
Try to scale the hop additions is more difficult, IMHO.
There is no perfect way, but I try matching IBU contributions from any addition > 15 minutes, and match ounces per gallon on any additions from 15 minutes to whirlpool to dry hops.
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Re: Ridiculous recipes on AHA
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2016, 04:29:12 PM »
I used the formulas in Designing Great Beers by Ray Daniels to calculate the hops.
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Re: Ridiculous recipes on AHA
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2016, 04:49:56 PM »
  I like to work in percentages


Yep, recipes speak a common language in %. A guy's efficiency is then irrelevant.

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