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Champagne Velvet Beer. The Indiana Classic
« on: May 04, 2016, 02:38:31 PM »
Looking into this style as possibly my first lager.  Although, I am going to take my time and research to make it right. There is not much info on the style though. Pale Pilsner from a German family brewery.  Originally the Terre Haute Brewing Company I think 1907 is when Champaign Velvet was produced?  Prohibition is making this stuff fuzzy.  Upland Brewing Company uses Pils, Corn, Carapils.  Keeping it as simple and smooth as possible.  Upland Brewing Company does it with cluster and tettnang.  Although now I am ready to make my own.  Any one out there familiar with this brew?
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Re: Champaign Velvet Beer. The Indiana Classic
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2016, 02:53:17 PM »
Yeah, it's a CAP/Pre-prohibition style lager. Tried it a couple times and liked it.
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Re: Champaign Velvet Beer. The Indiana Classic
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2016, 03:09:03 PM »
Yeah, it's a CAP/Pre-prohibition style lager. Tried it a couple times and liked it.

Getting towards the end of the keg on my last batch of this one. No carapils in mine, only 2-row/6-row/flaked maize.

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Re: Champaign Velvet Beer. The Indiana Classic
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2016, 03:17:37 PM »
Yeah, it's a CAP/Pre-prohibition style lager. Tried it a couple times and liked it.

Getting towards the end of the keg on my last batch of this one. No carapils in mine, only 2-row/6-row/flaked maize.


Love a good CAP !
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Re: Champaign Velvet Beer. The Indiana Classic
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2016, 08:07:32 PM »
what water profile? yellow malty? and I was thinking a German/ Bavarian lager?
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Re: Champaign Velvet Beer. The Indiana Classic
« Reply #5 on: May 04, 2016, 08:44:03 PM »
I use a yellow bitter profile in mine. If you are making a lower IBU version and want something like a EuroPils, use yellow balanced or yellow malty.
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Re: Champaign Velvet Beer. The Indiana Classic
« Reply #6 on: May 04, 2016, 10:05:05 PM »
Be aware that the water supply in Bloomington, IN, where CV is made, is surprisingly soft (for Indiana at least). They don't add much in the way of minerals for that one.
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Re: Champaign Velvet Beer. The Indiana Classic
« Reply #7 on: May 04, 2016, 10:07:00 PM »
Be aware that the water supply in Bloomington, IN, where CV is made, is surprisingly soft (for Indiana at least). They don't add much in the way of minerals for that one.
Wow, even with the limestone geology? Or is it surface water?
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Re: Champaign Velvet Beer. The Indiana Classic
« Reply #8 on: May 04, 2016, 10:08:05 PM »
Surface water from Lake Monroe. Its right off the mountains (hills?).
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Re: Champaign Velvet Beer. The Indiana Classic
« Reply #9 on: May 04, 2016, 10:19:58 PM »
Surface water from Lake Monroe. Its right off the mountains (hills?).


Didn't know that, Martin. Good info.
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Re: Champaign Velvet Beer. The Indiana Classic
« Reply #10 on: May 05, 2016, 04:54:01 PM »
Staying to traditional hop varieties used, how far off am I?

Brewers Gold
Golding
Whitebread Golding
Cluster
Northern Brewer

thinking somewhere between 25-30 IBUs
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Re: Champaign Velvet Beer. The Indiana Classic
« Reply #11 on: May 05, 2016, 05:20:40 PM »
Staying to traditional hop varieties used, how far off am I?

Brewers Gold
Golding
Whitebread Golding
Cluster
Northern Brewer

thinking somewhere between 25-30 IBUs



I saw a reference to CV having 29IBU.  I'd add Cluster at FWH for about 2/3 of that value (~ 20IBU) and use Tettnang at 15 minutes and flameout to make up the difference in IBU. WLP833 would be great if you can get it.



EDIT - Could've been more clear. I'd add the 9 IBU @ 15 mins, then an oz or 2 more Tett @ flameout (no IBU).
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Re: Champaign Velvet Beer. The Indiana Classic
« Reply #12 on: May 05, 2016, 06:21:58 PM »
Could wlp810, wlp830, or wlp840 be a fair substitute for 833 if I can't get ahold of it?
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Re: Champaign Velvet Beer. The Indiana Classic
« Reply #13 on: May 05, 2016, 06:30:04 PM »
Could wlp810, wlp830, or wlp840 be a fair substitute for 833 if I can't get ahold of it?


Sure. 830 would work fine.
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Re: Champaign Velvet Beer. The Indiana Classic
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2016, 01:40:00 AM »
The only true pre-Prohibition Pils strain that is still commercially available is the Christian Schmidt strain, which is Siebel BRY118.  The strain is also available as Wyeast 2272 North American Lager (a PC strain).  The August Schell strain is derived from the Christian Schmidt strain (this strain has a big flavor profile that works well with Pre-Pro Pils).   It is available as Wyeast 2035 American Lager.   Wyeast used to call this strain Wyeast 2035 New Ulm Lager.   I am fairly certain that White Labs does not offer either strain in its production line-up.