[ynotbrusum]

Some were asking about storage
Per wyeast -
Stability:   1 year, stored in airtight container in cool environment

Yep, can't hurt.  And after all of my protestations, I tokk the extraordinary measure of actually contacting Joe to get usage info..surprise, surprise, I was wrong...again....here's what he said...

I add 1/4 tsp per 5 gal of strike and sparge water, and 1/2 tsp as a slurry 15-16 min before the end of the boil. If you like using the Irish moss for 15, then add it 1 min before that.

So it is water volume based, not batch volume.  And it does indeed go in the sparge, too.

Do the kettle finings go in before or after the Brewtan B?

Brewtan first then finings.  I had not read this thread in a couple months, but I am encouraged about the Brewtan-B and continuing some of the lodo process - but I am not going to obsess about it.  Like I mentioned in another thread, the bronze medal International Beer Cup winner was from Crystal Lake, IL.  They don't do anything special - but they suggest drinking it very fresh.

[mainebrewer]

Some were asking about storage
Per wyeast -
Stability:   1 year, stored in airtight container in cool environment

Yep, can't hurt.  And after all of my protestations, I tokk the extraordinary measure of actually contacting Joe to get usage info..surprise, surprise, I was wrong...again....here's what he said...

I add 1/4 tsp per 5 gal of strike and sparge water, and 1/2 tsp as a slurry 15-16 min before the end of the boil. If you like using the Irish moss for 15, then add it 1 min before that.

So it is water volume based, not batch volume.  And it does indeed go in the sparge, too.

Do the kettle finings go in before or after the Brewtan B?

Brewtan first then finings.  I had not read this thread in a couple months, but I am encouraged about the Brewtan-B and continuing some of the lodo process - but I am not going to obsess about it.  Like I mentioned in another thread, the bronze medal International Beer Cup winner was from Crystal Lake, IL.  They don't do anything special - but they suggest drinking it very fresh.

Thanks.

[ynotbrusum]

I meant to say that the bronze was for a German Helles and it was up against German breweries, as well as others.  Nice to see a little American brewery come out ahead using standard American processes in what is clearly a German-centric matter as discussed in this thread.

[RPIScotty]

Didn't RPIscotty brew mostly Belgian beers? If he's gone whole-LODO he'd be a good source on that info.

While I'm not going LODO, (it's hard enough brewing in my house as it is) I'm becoming sold on the spunding idea. Seems the Brits have been basically doing the same thing in a way, transferring to the cask before the primary fermentation has completely finished. Granted, they do add wort/sugar to prime the keg at this point, but the still-active yeast should be doing much to scrub O₂. It'd be interesting to see how well this would work compared to trying to transfer to a purged keg.

Warren Buffett says it best:

"There seems to be some perverse human characteristic that likes to make easy things difficult."

[dmtaylor]

Apparently I have somehow been entirely ignorant and perhaps noticeably absent regarding all this talk about deoxygenated water and Brewtan, etc.

Until today.  Today I wasted hours reading up on all this sh!t.  And that is my tentative conclusion: it is sh!t.

The pseudo science and recommended practice of a 30 minute protein rest killed it for me, not to mention that a friend of mine can achieve "it" with a single infusion and nothing special other than using continental malt, hops, and the right yeast.

Yes, I know what "it" is, and I love and crave "it".  I think maybe I even can get close to "it" in my own beers.  However this all also leads me to believe that there's little if any need to futz with this secretive fake sciency LODO and Brewtan stuff.

I will let you guys run these experiments while I continue to play with "regular" decoction and efficiency.  Results coming soon/eventually on my triangles.

[wobdee]

30 min protien rest?

[natebriscoe]

Apparently I have somehow been entirely ignorant and perhaps noticeably absent regarding all this talk about deoxygenated water and Brewtan, etc.

Until today.  Today I wasted hours reading up on all this sh!t.  And that is my tentative conclusion: it is sh!t.

The pseudo science and recommended practice of a 30 minute protein rest killed it for me, not to mention that a friend of mine can achieve "it" with a single infusion and nothing special other than using continental malt, hops, and the right yeast.

Yes, I know what "it" is, and I love and crave "it".  I think maybe I even can get close to "it" in my own beers.  However this all also leads me to believe that there's little if any need to futz with this secretive fake sciency LODO and Brewtan stuff.

I will let you guys run these experiments while I continue to play with "regular" decoction and efficiency.  Results coming soon/eventually on my triangles.

Sorry man, but nobody here is going to believe that you know what "it" is or that your friend can make "it" without research papers, backup data and triangle test.
On a different note, 30 min protein rest.

[reverseapachemaster]

Sorry man, but nobody here is going to believe that you know what "it" is or that your friend can make "it" without research papers, backup data and triangle test.
On a different note, 30 min protein rest.

What if he types up his conclusions in a manner that makes it look like it was published in a peer-reviewed journal and insists he has data but doesn't publish it? Or does he need vague cites to actual research for the trifecta?

[natebriscoe]

Sorry man, but nobody here is going to believe that you know what "it" is or that your friend can make "it" without research papers, backup data and triangle test.
On a different note, 30 min protein rest.

What if he types up his conclusions in a manner that makes it look like it was published in a peer-reviewed journal and insists he has data but doesn't publish it? Or does he need vague cites to actual research for the trifecta?

I think we have already seen that's not enough.

[Stevie]

What if he grows a sweet beard with a handlebar mustache?

[Joe Sr.]

What if he grows a sweet beard with a handlebar mustache?

That would be it.

[natebriscoe]

What if he grows a sweet beard with a handlebar mustache?

Couldn't hurt

[dilluh98]

What if he grows a sweet beard with a handlebar mustache?

As long as he didn't try to spontaneously ferment said "it" beer with beard yeast. 

[hopfenundmalz]

What if he grows a sweet beard with a handlebar mustache?

One of my observations during my recent trip to Germany, is that there has been an large outbreak of manbuns.

[Stevie]

One of my observations during my recent trip to Germany, is that there has been an large outbreak of manbuns.

Well that sucks.