[Stevie]

https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=9230.msg113957#msg113957

Ask Gary what he thinks about smb

The most interesting part about that thread is where Denny specifically states that he tried campden for its antioxidant properties for a year.  Note also that the thread was from 5 years ago.

But he might not have been pre-boiling or racking and stirring gently. My water goes from kettle to bucket to cooler, I have no ability to try all of the techniques the GBF recommends. Considering it's all or nothing per the members, i won't be able to try any of it until I have a three vessel system with enough volume to hold all my water at once for pre-boiling.

Do you use a cooler? Why not just pre-boil in your BK, then pump through the outlet valve to underlet your mash?

How would I handle sparge?

[Big Monk]

https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=9230.msg113957#msg113957

Ask Gary what he thinks about smb

The most interesting part about that thread is where Denny specifically states that he tried campden for its antioxidant properties for a year.  Note also that the thread was from 5 years ago.

But he might not have been pre-boiling or racking and stirring gently. My water goes from kettle to bucket to cooler, I have no ability to try all of the techniques the GBF recommends. Considering it's all or nothing per the members, i won't be able to try any of it until I have a three vessel system with enough volume to hold all my water at once for pre-boiling.

Do you use a cooler? Why not just pre-boil in your BK, then pump through the outlet valve to underlet your mash?

How would I handle sparge?

Don't! 😉

[Joe Sr.]

Do you use a cooler? Why not just pre-boil in your BK, then pump through the outlet valve to underlet your mash?

Couldn't you just run a hose to the bottom of the cooler?  It would be easier than pumping in through the outlet. And no pump required.

[natebriscoe]

No sparge. It's not as bad as I was thinking before trying it and still get 68-70% efficiency

[Phil_M]

For any who have tried it, how likely am I to see results from just pre-boiling and mashing carefully?

Might try that if I brew tomorrow. Keep in mind, I'm not aiming for recreating a modern, low oxygen brewery. Simply an early 20th century British brewery. Pre-boiling still fits that vibe, as it could have been done for water mineral reasons. If that's not going to have an effect on oxygen levels at the end of the mash I'm not going to bother.

[natebriscoe]

Do you use a cooler? Why not just pre-boil in your BK, then pump through the outlet valve to underlet your mash?

Couldn't you just run a hose to the bottom of the cooler?  It would be easier than pumping in through the outlet. And no pump required.

Or run the hose to the outlet either way would work. Nothing wrong with gravity

[Stevie]

No sparge all beers? Even low gravity beers that would be near 5qt/lb?

Are you purging the pump and line with bottled co2? If so, you're not worried about oxygen pickup there.

[natebriscoe]

For any who have tried it, how likely am I to see results from just pre-boiling and mashing carefully?

Might try that if I brew tomorrow. Keep in mind, I'm not aiming for recreating a modern, low oxygen brewery. Simply an early 20th century British brewery. Pre-boiling still fits that vibe, as it could have been done for water mineral reasons. If that's not going to have an effect on oxygen levels at the end of the mash I'm not going to bother.

Can you preboil and chill with ss? Have smb?

[Stevie]

Do you use a cooler? Why not just pre-boil in your BK, then pump through the outlet valve to underlet your mash?

Couldn't you just run a hose to the bottom of the cooler?  It would be easier than pumping in through the outlet. And no pump required.

Or run the hose to the outlet either way would work. Nothing wrong with gravity

Can't do gravity with my setup. I brew an 8x8 third floor balcony. No room for stuff and no where to store it.

I don't doubt the claims or results. I just question the need for it to be all or nothing.

[Big Monk]

No sparge all beers? Even low gravity beers that would be near 5qt/lb?

Are you purging the pump and line with bottled co2? If so, you're not worried about oxygen pickup there.

You shouldn't have to exceed 3 qts/lb down to around 11 °P.

SMB will be providing active scavenging.

[Stevie]

For any who have tried it, how likely am I to see results from just pre-boiling and mashing carefully?

Might try that if I brew tomorrow. Keep in mind, I'm not aiming for recreating a modern, low oxygen brewery. Simply an early 20th century British brewery. Pre-boiling still fits that vibe, as it could have been done for water mineral reasons. If that's not going to have an effect on oxygen levels at the end of the mash I'm not going to bother.

All or nothing per the diehards.

[Stevie]

No sparge all beers? Even low gravity beers that would be near 5qt/lb?

Are you purging the pump and line with bottled co2? If so, you're not worried about oxygen pickup there.

You shouldn't have to exceed 3 qts/lb down to around 11 °P.

SMB will be providing active scavenging.

3% table beer at 7°?

[Phil_M]

For any who have tried it, how likely am I to see results from just pre-boiling and mashing carefully?

Might try that if I brew tomorrow. Keep in mind, I'm not aiming for recreating a modern, low oxygen brewery. Simply an early 20th century British brewery. Pre-boiling still fits that vibe, as it could have been done for water mineral reasons. If that's not going to have an effect on oxygen levels at the end of the mash I'm not going to bother.

Can you preboil and chill with ss? Have smb?

Nope, both my immersion and plate chiller have copper in them. Honestly one of the reasons why it'd be tough for me to go full "LODO" is my reluctance to give up that plate chiller...no smb either, and not likely to get access to any in time.

[Big Monk]

For any who have tried it, how likely am I to see results from just pre-boiling and mashing carefully?

Might try that if I brew tomorrow. Keep in mind, I'm not aiming for recreating a modern, low oxygen brewery. Simply an early 20th century British brewery. Pre-boiling still fits that vibe, as it could have been done for water mineral reasons. If that's not going to have an effect on oxygen levels at the end of the mash I'm not going to bother.

Can you preboil and chill with ss? Have smb?

Nope, both my immersion and plate chiller have copper in them. Honestly one of the reasons why it'd be tough for me to go full "LODO" is my reluctance to give up that plate chiller...no smb either, and not likely to get access to any in time.

Use Campden.

[Big Monk]

No sparge all beers? Even low gravity beers that would be near 5qt/lb?

Are you purging the pump and line with bottled co2? If so, you're not worried about oxygen pickup there.

You shouldn't have to exceed 3 qts/lb down to around 11 °P.

SMB will be providing active scavenging.

3% table beer at 7°?

That may be tough. Although you could always try to balance an increase in grain with WTG, i.e. Bump up the grist to try and bring down the WTG to under 3.

Just things to entertain and to think about. All the info isn't out there.