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Starting wage for Cellar position?
« on: May 31, 2016, 02:13:38 PM »
Hey guys, I might be getting a cellar position in Ohio, and don't want to ruin my chances by saying the wrong number.  I was wondering if you guys could help me.  It's an entry level cellar position, so would $15/hr be asking too much? What's a good number?  I really want the position, but still need to pay the bills.
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Re: Starting wage for Cellar position?
« Reply #1 on: May 31, 2016, 02:33:20 PM »
My advice would be take it and get a second job.

Trying to pay the bills with an entry level brewing job is likely to disappoint at best and to wreck you financially at worst.

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Re: Starting wage for Cellar position?
« Reply #2 on: May 31, 2016, 02:47:26 PM »
Does the brewer even make $15 an hour?
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Re: Starting wage for Cellar position?
« Reply #3 on: May 31, 2016, 02:53:08 PM »
Yeah, I'd be surprised if it was over $7/hr.
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Re: Starting wage for Cellar position?
« Reply #4 on: May 31, 2016, 02:58:10 PM »
I know one of the brewers, and he's salaried, but he said it works out to just over $15/hr. So from that point of reference, what would be fair to ask for (if that changes anything)?

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Re: Starting wage for Cellar position?
« Reply #5 on: May 31, 2016, 04:40:34 PM »
Find a local brewery of comparable size and ask the/one of the cellar workers what they make. The wage difference between comparable local breweries is likely minimal. I'd be surprised if it's much more than minimum wage.

At that level I would expect the brewery to already know what they expect to pay you without asking you for input. After all, there are so many people begging to do this work for free the breweries have little incentive to pay more than minimum wage.
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Re: Starting wage for Cellar position?
« Reply #6 on: May 31, 2016, 04:47:56 PM »
Find a local brewery of comparable size and ask the/one of the cellar workers what they make. The wage difference between comparable local breweries is likely minimal. I'd be surprised if it's much more than minimum wage.

At that level I would expect the brewery to already know what they expect to pay you without asking you for input. After all, there are so many people begging to do this work for free the breweries have little incentive to pay more than minimum wage.
To paraphrase Ray Daniels at the Grand Rapids NHC. "The pay reflects the supply of people wanting to get into the industry greatly exceeding the demand."

Some small places around here pay about $30k or so for a head Brewer.
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Re: Starting wage for Cellar position?
« Reply #7 on: May 31, 2016, 04:54:33 PM »
As one data point, I made about that as lead cellarman at a mid-size production brewery.
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Re: Starting wage for Cellar position?
« Reply #8 on: May 31, 2016, 04:54:48 PM »
Find a local brewery of comparable size and ask the/one of the cellar workers what they make. The wage difference between comparable local breweries is likely minimal. I'd be surprised if it's much more than minimum wage.

At that level I would expect the brewery to already know what they expect to pay you without asking you for input. After all, there are so many people begging to do this work for free the breweries have little incentive to pay more than minimum wage.

Some small places around here pay about $30k or so for a head Brewer.

Yep.  A few years ago, my buddy took a head brewer position at a new small brewpub and was starting around 32K. He would work 10 hr days + sometimes and I don't know how he footed his bills.  He was lucky he had no kids to take care of...

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Re: Starting wage for Cellar position?
« Reply #9 on: May 31, 2016, 05:08:16 PM »
As one data point, I made about that as lead cellarman at a mid-size production brewery.
Ray had some pay ranges in his talk. Yeah, the pay went up for larger production breweries. I know some that even get some nice benefits at the bigger craft breweries.
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Re: Starting wage for Cellar position?
« Reply #10 on: June 04, 2016, 12:02:11 AM »
We start our guys out at $9-10 per hour and move them up accordingly. It obviously depends where you live but $15 an hour sounds really high regardless (for a starting position). Minimum wage here is 7.25 so a starting wage of 9-10/hour is not unreasonable.

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Re: Starting wage for Cellar position?
« Reply #11 on: June 04, 2016, 12:59:44 AM »
Hey guys, I might be getting a cellar position in Ohio, and don't want to ruin my chances by saying the wrong number.  I was wondering if you guys could help me.  It's an entry level cellar position, so would $15/hr be asking too much? What's a good number?  I really want the position, but still need to pay the bills.
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Re: Starting wage for Cellar position?
« Reply #12 on: June 08, 2016, 05:00:33 PM »
What do you all think will happen to the fledgling brew industry if minimum wage goes to $15/hr?  I'd be very concerned that small breweries would suffer greatly based on the wages I see here.

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Re: Starting wage for Cellar position?
« Reply #13 on: June 08, 2016, 05:04:08 PM »
What do you all think will happen to the fledgling brew industry if minimum wage goes to $15/hr?  I'd be very concerned that small breweries would suffer greatly based on the wages I see here.

Minimum wage is being raised on a state and regional basis. An answer to your question would need to be answered by someone in NY, CA or DC.

I know Baltimore is considering it as well.

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Re: Starting wage for Cellar position?
« Reply #14 on: June 08, 2016, 05:19:19 PM »
What do you all think will happen to the fledgling brew industry if minimum wage goes to $15/hr?  I'd be very concerned that small breweries would suffer greatly based on the wages I see here.
If wages go up then beer prices will also go up. Of all the things that could screw this up, I'd be least concerned about an increase in the minimum wage.

In the case of brewing, I think lower wages are mostly due to the fact that so many people want to do it (too much supply). Case in point -- I met a pro brewer making really good beer who was an auto mechanic 2 years ago.   The demand for auto mechanics isn't going down, but he took a pay cut to become a brewer because he likes the work and felt like it was a better opportunity.

I think wages will be rectified in the next big correction, but supply has to outpace demand first. Sure, the pressure from a higher minimum wage will hurt profitability for some breweries. However, it could also weed out some breweries that are making mediocre beer and getting away with it in this hot market. A little "drag" could actually prevent a high growth market from turning into an unsustainable bubble.