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Quote from: Village Taphouse on August 05, 2016, 10:21:30 amQuote from: hopfenundmalz on August 05, 2016, 10:11:55 amI'm going to AiH this afternoon, will now pick one up.I think mine was $32 or something. It connects to one port on your keg and has an adjustable gauge on it which may read in PSI or "BAR". I seem to remember someone telling me to set the spunding valve to "8 bar". A bar is just under 1 Atmosphere. 8 bar would be roughly 8*14.5 PSI = 116 PSI, so that was bad advice. Even .8 bar is on the high side. 8 PSI is more in the range for a lager at lager temps.
Quote from: hopfenundmalz on August 05, 2016, 10:11:55 amI'm going to AiH this afternoon, will now pick one up.I think mine was $32 or something. It connects to one port on your keg and has an adjustable gauge on it which may read in PSI or "BAR". I seem to remember someone telling me to set the spunding valve to "8 bar".
I'm going to AiH this afternoon, will now pick one up.
Gotta say, I'd like to see somebody with a DO meter do a batch with Brewtan B and no spunding, just basic closed transfers, and compare the difference in final levels. Might be interesting to see.
Quote from: HoosierBrew on August 05, 2016, 02:06:38 pmGotta say, I'd like to see somebody with a DO meter do a batch with Brewtan B and no spunding, just basic closed transfers, and compare the difference in final levels. Might be interesting to see.Maybe I am not understanding you correctly.... But, as I understand it, Brewtan does not prevent O2 from going into solution. It only prevents the O2 from carrying out its deleterious reactions.
Quote from: neddles on August 05, 2016, 10:06:42 pmQuote from: HoosierBrew on August 05, 2016, 02:06:38 pmGotta say, I'd like to see somebody with a DO meter do a batch with Brewtan B and no spunding, just basic closed transfers, and compare the difference in final levels. Might be interesting to see.Maybe I am not understanding you correctly.... But, as I understand it, Brewtan does not prevent O2 from going into solution. It only prevents the O2 from carrying out its deleterious reactions.Right. I think we discussed this on Brews-Bros but the DO meter might show the same for both batches but the brewtan batch may be different because the O2 couldn't work its negative magic. Just when you thought that homebrewing couldn't have more myths and mysteries, a nutty brownish powder arrives from Japan to throw us all a curveball!
Quote from: Village Taphouse on August 05, 2016, 10:47:37 pmQuote from: neddles on August 05, 2016, 10:06:42 pmQuote from: HoosierBrew on August 05, 2016, 02:06:38 pmGotta say, I'd like to see somebody with a DO meter do a batch with Brewtan B and no spunding, just basic closed transfers, and compare the difference in final levels. Might be interesting to see.Maybe I am not understanding you correctly.... But, as I understand it, Brewtan does not prevent O2 from going into solution. It only prevents the O2 from carrying out its deleterious reactions.Right. I think we discussed this on Brews-Bros but the DO meter might show the same for both batches but the brewtan batch may be different because the O2 couldn't work its negative magic. Just when you thought that homebrewing couldn't have more myths and mysteries, a nutty brownish powder arrives from Japan to throw us all a curveball! Yeah, didn't think it through. In theory the O2 might well not be reduced in solution but nonetheless wouldn't be able to produce the negative result. Brain fart on my part.
Quote from: HoosierBrew on August 06, 2016, 08:06:00 amQuote from: Village Taphouse on August 05, 2016, 10:47:37 pmQuote from: neddles on August 05, 2016, 10:06:42 pmQuote from: HoosierBrew on August 05, 2016, 02:06:38 pmGotta say, I'd like to see somebody with a DO meter do a batch with Brewtan B and no spunding, just basic closed transfers, and compare the difference in final levels. Might be interesting to see.Maybe I am not understanding you correctly.... But, as I understand it, Brewtan does not prevent O2 from going into solution. It only prevents the O2 from carrying out its deleterious reactions.Right. I think we discussed this on Brews-Bros but the DO meter might show the same for both batches but the brewtan batch may be different because the O2 couldn't work its negative magic. Just when you thought that homebrewing couldn't have more myths and mysteries, a nutty brownish powder arrives from Japan to throw us all a curveball! Yeah, didn't think it through. In theory the O2 might well not be reduced in solution but nonetheless wouldn't be able to produce the negative result. Brain fart on my part. I think I came to the same conclusion originally because I was equating brewtan with LODO brewing which is not necessarily true but the result can be similar I'm guessing. I'm also suggesting that brewtan is like LODO brewing for lazy people... perfect for me! When I first saw some of the things necessary for true LODO brewing, I envisioned quitting my job and clearing my calendar. I just can't commit to that kind of process especially with my ghetto-like system.
I don't want to sound like a cheerleader for brewtan but this is how I felt after sampling the first brewtan beer I made... a helles that I make A LOT. Yes, there were other variables that I already mentioned but the beer was night and day different based on years of making the same recipe. There were calls for data and triangle testing. I said, "I don't need no stinking testing!" but then the "confirmation bias" came into the picture and so now I just keep my mouth shut and drink my beer. Again, whatever it is... something has changed for the better.
Yeah, didn't think it through. In theory the O2 might well not be reduced in solution but nonetheless wouldn't be able to produce the negative result. Brain fart on my part.
Quote from: Village Taphouse on August 05, 2016, 03:35:14 pmI don't want to sound like a cheerleader for brewtan but this is how I felt after sampling the first brewtan beer I made... a helles that I make A LOT. Yes, there were other variables that I already mentioned but the beer was night and day different based on years of making the same recipe. There were calls for data and triangle testing. I said, "I don't need no stinking testing!" but then the "confirmation bias" came into the picture and so now I just keep my mouth shut and drink my beer. Again, whatever it is... something has changed for the better.Same here, Ken. I think there's something really different and better about the Brewtan beers, but I won't try to convince anyone of that til I do some triangle testing.
Quote from: denny on August 06, 2016, 09:49:24 amQuote from: Village Taphouse on August 05, 2016, 03:35:14 pmI don't want to sound like a cheerleader for brewtan but this is how I felt after sampling the first brewtan beer I made... a helles that I make A LOT. Yes, there were other variables that I already mentioned but the beer was night and day different based on years of making the same recipe. There were calls for data and triangle testing. I said, "I don't need no stinking testing!" but then the "confirmation bias" came into the picture and so now I just keep my mouth shut and drink my beer. Again, whatever it is... something has changed for the better.Same here, Ken. I think there's something really different and better about the Brewtan beers, but I won't try to convince anyone of that til I do some triangle testing.I sampled my Brewtan O-fest last night and it's clear now. No triangle to offer yet, but it's noticeably different and better too, Denny. The malt character is softer, complex, and more rounded than usual. It's just anecdotal until I do a double batch soon for triangles but I'm pretty encouraged, enough to keep using it. I'm gonna fill a couple bottles to leave in the fridge for 6 months and then eval. Curious about that.
Yeah, the clarity is noticeable, too. From runoff to wort into the fermenter, to final product.