[tommymorris]

I recently made a hoppy lager which had CTZ for bittering (@ 60 min, 32 IBU) and Cascade for flavor and aroma (0.5 oz hop stand in 3G batch).  The beer is good but has a dankness that I would like to avoid on future versions. I like the dankness in an IPA, but, in a hoppy lager I think the dankness masks the clean crisp flavor I would like.

Question: did the CTZ cause the dankness or was it more likely the Cascade? I can bitter with Chinook or Magnum next time. I am out of Cascade so for the next version I am thinking Centennial or Galaxy. I also have Simcoe, Amarillo, and Ekuanot (HBC366). I think Simcoe and Amarillo may have similar dankness issues. I've never used Ekuanot. Thoughts?

[HoosierBrew]

Cascade is just citrusy and floral to me. Even though you only used the CTZ to bitter, it may have carried some of that dankness through to the end. I usually bitter IPLs with Magnum to get a clean bitterness, then add whatever sounds good late. Ekuanot (HBC 366) is the hop formerly known as Equinox - awesome, complex hop.

[JJeffers09]

+1 to magnum.  I would assume CTZ would be the dankness of the IPA flavor.  It is my go to bittering hop, but magnum is by far the "classic" bitterness, IMO.  Motueka is a great versatile hop too.  It is a very refreshing hop flavor. For my tastebuds anyway.

[dmtaylor]

CTZ is very very dank.  Cascade is not so much.  Magnum would be a great option for bittering next time.

[majorvices]

Tommy, for our Hops Fell Hop Lager I use Magnum for bittering and a blend of cascade, Tettnanger and Madarina for WP hops. I also use a 10 min addition of Manadarina. Malt is a blend of Pils, Vienna, Flaked Maize and cara foam. Not sure if you have had HFHL but it has no dankness to it, rather it has bright citrus notes and a medium light body.

[hopfenundmalz]

I would also consider Perle or Herkules for bittering.

[Steve Ruch]

I would also consider Perle or Herkules for bittering.

Yes on the herkules.

[tommymorris]

Tommy, for our Hops Fell Hop Lager I use Magnum for bittering and a blend of cascade, Tettnanger and Madarina for WP hops. I also use a 10 min addition of Manadarina. Malt is a blend of Pils, Vienna, Flaked Maize and cara foam. Not sure if you have had HFHL but it has no dankness to it, rather it has bright citrus notes and a medium light body.

I have had HFHL twice. That's the beer that gave me the idea. Thanks for all the info.

[hopfenundmalz]

I would also consider Perle or Herkules for bittering.

Yes on the herkules.

Why not the Perle? Not enough AA%?

[Steve Ruch]

I would also consider Perle or Herkules for bittering.

Yes on the herkules.

Why not the Perle? Not enough AA%?

Partly, but I've never used perle. I have used herkules and liked the results.

[santoch]

Perle is a fantastic clean bittering hop.

[natebrews]

I have used perle in lots of lagers and have always been happy with the clean bittering I get from it.  In some recent pale ales I have done, I have been doing CTZ and cascade with some other hop and the CTZ dankness is very apparent even in small amounts (1oz CTZ against 4oz of cascade/other stuff).

I have not used herkules, so I can't comment on that compared to perle.

[reverseapachemaster]

That hoppy lager style definitely needs a clean bittering hop even if you're throwing DIPA level flavor/aroma additions on top of it. Anything with a strong dank or pine/forest flavor should be avoided. Almost any clean mid to high alpha hop should work fine. I've had good success using Belma--not because it's anything special for that purpose but because it's just what I've had on hand.