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Hoppy Lager/Non traditional pilsner
« on: September 21, 2016, 04:02:42 PM »
I recently made a hoppy lager which had CTZ for bittering (@ 60 min, 32 IBU) and Cascade for flavor and aroma (0.5 oz hop stand in 3G batch).  The beer is good but has a dankness that I would like to avoid on future versions. I like the dankness in an IPA, but, in a hoppy lager I think the dankness masks the clean crisp flavor I would like.

Question: did the CTZ cause the dankness or was it more likely the Cascade? I can bitter with Chinook or Magnum next time. I am out of Cascade so for the next version I am thinking Centennial or Galaxy. I also have Simcoe, Amarillo, and Ekuanot (HBC366). I think Simcoe and Amarillo may have similar dankness issues. I've never used Ekuanot. Thoughts?

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Re: Hoppy Lager/Non traditional pilsner
« Reply #1 on: September 21, 2016, 04:15:05 PM »
Cascade is just citrusy and floral to me. Even though you only used the CTZ to bitter, it may have carried some of that dankness through to the end. I usually bitter IPLs with Magnum to get a clean bitterness, then add whatever sounds good late. Ekuanot (HBC 366) is the hop formerly known as Equinox - awesome, complex hop.
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Re: Hoppy Lager/Non traditional pilsner
« Reply #2 on: September 21, 2016, 04:29:01 PM »
+1 to magnum.  I would assume CTZ would be the dankness of the IPA flavor.  It is my go to bittering hop, but magnum is by far the "classic" bitterness, IMO.  Motueka is a great versatile hop too.  It is a very refreshing hop flavor. For my tastebuds anyway.
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Re: Hoppy Lager/Non traditional pilsner
« Reply #3 on: September 21, 2016, 05:23:50 PM »
CTZ is very very dank.  Cascade is not so much.  Magnum would be a great option for bittering next time.
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Re: Hoppy Lager/Non traditional pilsner
« Reply #4 on: September 21, 2016, 06:21:47 PM »
Tommy, for our Hops Fell Hop Lager I use Magnum for bittering and a blend of cascade, Tettnanger and Madarina for WP hops. I also use a 10 min addition of Manadarina. Malt is a blend of Pils, Vienna, Flaked Maize and cara foam. Not sure if you have had HFHL but it has no dankness to it, rather it has bright citrus notes and a medium light body.

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Re: Hoppy Lager/Non traditional pilsner
« Reply #5 on: September 21, 2016, 08:04:20 PM »
I would also consider Perle or Herkules for bittering.
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Re: Hoppy Lager/Non traditional pilsner
« Reply #6 on: September 21, 2016, 09:40:54 PM »
I would also consider Perle or Herkules for bittering.

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Re: Hoppy Lager/Non traditional pilsner
« Reply #7 on: September 21, 2016, 10:03:39 PM »
Tommy, for our Hops Fell Hop Lager I use Magnum for bittering and a blend of cascade, Tettnanger and Madarina for WP hops. I also use a 10 min addition of Manadarina. Malt is a blend of Pils, Vienna, Flaked Maize and cara foam. Not sure if you have had HFHL but it has no dankness to it, rather it has bright citrus notes and a medium light body.
I have had HFHL twice. That's the beer that gave me the idea. Thanks for all the info.

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Re: Hoppy Lager/Non traditional pilsner
« Reply #8 on: September 21, 2016, 11:30:09 PM »
I would also consider Perle or Herkules for bittering.

Yes on the herkules.
Why not the Perle? Not enough AA%?
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Re: Hoppy Lager/Non traditional pilsner
« Reply #9 on: September 22, 2016, 09:55:07 PM »
I would also consider Perle or Herkules for bittering.

Yes on the herkules.
Why not the Perle? Not enough AA%?

Partly, but I've never used perle. I have used herkules and liked the results.
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Re: Hoppy Lager/Non traditional pilsner
« Reply #10 on: September 26, 2016, 02:35:24 AM »
Perle is a fantastic clean bittering hop.
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Re: Hoppy Lager/Non traditional pilsner
« Reply #11 on: September 26, 2016, 03:05:33 AM »
I have used perle in lots of lagers and have always been happy with the clean bittering I get from it.  In some recent pale ales I have done, I have been doing CTZ and cascade with some other hop and the CTZ dankness is very apparent even in small amounts (1oz CTZ against 4oz of cascade/other stuff).

I have not used herkules, so I can't comment on that compared to perle.
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Re: Hoppy Lager/Non traditional pilsner
« Reply #12 on: September 26, 2016, 02:52:20 PM »
That hoppy lager style definitely needs a clean bittering hop even if you're throwing DIPA level flavor/aroma additions on top of it. Anything with a strong dank or pine/forest flavor should be avoided. Almost any clean mid to high alpha hop should work fine. I've had good success using Belma--not because it's anything special for that purpose but because it's just what I've had on hand.
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