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Dehusked Carafa - Rochefort clone
« on: September 26, 2016, 08:37:32 AM »
I'm planning on brewing a small batch of the Hermann Holtropp Rochefort clone this weekend, but have realised that I don't have any Carafa special I.  I do have special II and III.  Rather than having to order some, am I right in thinking that I could just use a smaller quantity of the II or III to produce the same colour addition?  Given that it only uses 50g to begin with, I can't see that being a problem.

What does the hive mind have to say on this?
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Re: Dehusked Carafa - Rochefort clone
« Reply #1 on: September 26, 2016, 11:55:27 AM »
I would use the Carafa II special, and proportionally decrease the amount based on the Lovibond ratings.

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Re: Dehusked Carafa - Rochefort clone
« Reply #2 on: September 26, 2016, 02:27:23 PM »
I think that recipe calls for Carafa Special (II), not Carafa I.

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Re: Dehusked Carafa - Rochefort clone
« Reply #3 on: September 26, 2016, 02:35:01 PM »
The recipe calls for Carafa special dehusked 800EBC, which is number 1.

http://www.brewboard.com/index.php?showtopic=49298&mode=threaded

http://www.weyermann.de/eng/produkte.asp?idkat=19&umenue=yes&idmenue=&sprache=2

I think I'm going to go with a proportionally smaller quantity of special 2.
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Re: Dehusked Carafa - Rochefort clone
« Reply #4 on: October 01, 2016, 10:08:34 PM »
Brewed this today, but got my sums wrong.  Ended up with too much beer, and 10 points under my target.  Should come in around 7%, so I'll pretend it was meant to be the 6, rather than 8.
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Re: Dehusked Carafa - Rochefort clone
« Reply #5 on: October 01, 2016, 10:28:29 PM »
Did you pulverize it or just run it though the mill with the rest of it?

I always pulverize mine, but it has meant I need to adjust the amount somewhat.
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Re: Dehusked Carafa - Rochefort clone
« Reply #6 on: October 01, 2016, 10:31:19 PM »
Brewed this today, but got my sums wrong.  Ended up with too much beer, and 10 points under my target.  Should come in around 7%, so I'll pretend it was meant to be the 6, rather than 8.

In a beer like that, I would have no quams adding back 1-1.5# of dissolved cane sugar (boiled in a small amount of water for 5 min. and cooled) to the fermenter. Not a big deal at all, and in a 5 gallon batch that will gain you 8-10 points (give or take).

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Re: Dehusked Carafa - Rochefort clone
« Reply #7 on: October 01, 2016, 10:34:28 PM »
Do you think the 1% alcohol with no additional body will have a significant impact on the quality of the beer?  (I'm genuinely asking, I never brew stuff that strong so I have no gauge).
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Re: Dehusked Carafa - Rochefort clone
« Reply #8 on: October 01, 2016, 10:36:01 PM »
Do you think the 1% alcohol with no additional body will have a significant impact on the quality of the beer?  (I'm genuinely asking, I never brew stuff that strong so I have no gauge).

Not for Belgian Dark Strong like he is brewing. You want those to finish pretty dry. I would also have no issues doing that for most belgian styles.

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Re: Dehusked Carafa - Rochefort clone
« Reply #9 on: October 01, 2016, 10:43:46 PM »
Did you pulverize it or just run it though the mill with the rest of it?

I always pulverize mine, but it has meant I need to adjust the amount somewhat.

Carafa went through the mill with the rest of the grain.  Flaked corn was boiled separately into a viscous goop and added to the mash. 
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Re: Dehusked Carafa - Rochefort clone
« Reply #10 on: October 01, 2016, 10:45:39 PM »
Brewed this today, but got my sums wrong.  Ended up with too much beer, and 10 points under my target.  Should come in around 7%, so I'll pretend it was meant to be the 6, rather than 8.

In a beer like that, I would have no quams adding back 1-1.5# of dissolved cane sugar (boiled in a small amount of water for 5 min. and cooled) to the fermenter. Not a big deal at all, and in a 5 gallon batch that will gain you 8-10 points (give or take).

Good idea.  I might add 500g of sugar or golden syrup in a day or so.
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Re: Dehusked Carafa - Rochefort clone
« Reply #11 on: October 01, 2016, 11:16:02 PM »
Did you pulverize it or just run it though the mill with the rest of it?

I always pulverize mine, but it has meant I need to adjust the amount somewhat.

Carafa went through the mill with the rest of the grain.  Flaked corn was boiled separately into a viscous goop and added to the mash.

Just FYI, flaked corn (maize) does not need to be boiled separately before being added to the mash. It is pre-gelatinized and can be added directly with your other grains to the mashtun for conversion.

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Re: Dehusked Carafa - Rochefort clone
« Reply #12 on: October 01, 2016, 11:29:36 PM »
Just FYI, flaked corn (maize) does not need to be boiled separately before being added to the mash. It is pre-gelatinized and can be added directly with your other grains to the mashtun for conversion.


+1.  Flaked maize pretty much dissolves into the mash anyway.
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Re: Dehusked Carafa - Rochefort clone
« Reply #13 on: October 02, 2016, 08:24:26 AM »
Did you pulverize it or just run it though the mill with the rest of it?

I always pulverize mine, but it has meant I need to adjust the amount somewhat.

Carafa went through the mill with the rest of the grain.  Flaked corn was boiled separately into a viscous goop and added to the mash.

Just FYI, flaked corn (maize) does not need to be boiled separately before being added to the mash. It is pre-gelatinized and can be added directly with your other grains to the mashtun for conversion.

Thanks for the info.  It's something I've only used for this recipe, so I just followed what it said on the link I posted previously.  That'll save me some time, and washing up in future.
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