I have done three batches now using LO methods - 1 pre-boiling and 2 pre-yeasting, with one of the pre-yeasting also getting Brewtan B (just arrived last week from Australia). I can't get over the remarkable lack of aroma in the mash, extra malty flavor in the wort, clarity of the wort and thickness of the trub/break in the boil kettle (I have a false bottom screen in my boil kettle and use stainless mesh canisters for pellet hops). I have some dialing in to do, but this approach has me very intrigued on German beers.