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Re: Brewer's Invert Sugar Syrup
« Reply #15 on: March 24, 2017, 10:10:04 am »
It's five weeks since bottling and the Ordinary Bitter brewed with the invert syrup (9.5%) is delicious.  There is a little raisin and honey and the smooth buttery mouthfeel is there as well.  Can't wait to try it in more English styles.  Are there any other recommendations from the Forum?

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Re: Brewer's Invert Sugar Syrup
« Reply #16 on: March 30, 2017, 03:05:13 pm »
Try the Shut Up About Barclay Perkins! blog. http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/.  So many tantlizing choices.  I made a 5% mild, Kid XXX, from there that was delicious although I was unable to make invert no. 3.  I'm planning to make a 1987 Oldham Mild next, one with invert no. 1 per recipe and one with my remaining invert no. 2.5.

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Re: Brewer's Invert Sugar Syrup
« Reply #17 on: March 30, 2017, 03:15:10 pm »
Try the Shut Up About Barclay Perkins! blog. http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/.  So many tantlizing choices.  I made a 5% mild, Kid XXX, from there that was delicious although I was unable to make invert no. 3.  I'm planning to make a 1987 Oldham Mild next, one with invert no. 1 per recipe and one with my remaining invert no. 2.5.

+1. I've done the Courage stout (http://barclayperkins.blogspot.nl/2013/11/lets-brew-wednesday-1923-courage-stout.html) and a variation on the Tetley's Mild (http://barclayperkins.blogspot.nl/2014/01/lets-brew-wednesday-1945-tetleys-mild.html), and both turned out excellent. I've also brewed the old Brewing TV oldschool Guinness recipe, which was also delicious.

If you ever brew for an event where there's enough beer drinkers to kill a 5.4 gallon pin, I'd highly recommend serving on cask. Though they're still not cheap, the current dollar/pound exchange rate has brought the price of casks down. (http://www.ukbrewing.com/)

Something I still want to try but haven't gotten around to is a British IPA. I've had a fresh Samuel Smith's IPA, and it was incredible, but I still haven't gotten around to trying to recreate that beer.
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Re: Brewer's Invert Sugar Syrup
« Reply #18 on: March 30, 2017, 04:37:28 pm »
Try the Shut Up About Barclay Perkins! blog. http://barclayperkins.blogspot.com/.  So many tantlizing choices.  I made a 5% mild, Kid XXX, from there that was delicious although I was unable to make invert no. 3.  I'm planning to make a 1987 Oldham Mild next, one with invert no. 1 per recipe and one with my remaining invert no. 2.5.

+1. I've done the Courage stout (http://barclayperkins.blogspot.nl/2013/11/lets-brew-wednesday-1923-courage-stout.html) and a variation on the Tetley's Mild (http://barclayperkins.blogspot.nl/2014/01/lets-brew-wednesday-1945-tetleys-mild.html), and both turned out excellent. I've also brewed the old Brewing TV oldschool Guinness recipe, which was also delicious.

If you ever brew for an event where there's enough beer drinkers to kill a 5.4 gallon pin, I'd highly recommend serving on cask. Though they're still not cheap, the current dollar/pound exchange rate has brought the price of casks down. (http://www.ukbrewing.com/)

Something I still want to try but haven't gotten around to is a British IPA. I've had a fresh Samuel Smith's IPA, and it was incredible, but I still haven't gotten around to trying to recreate that beer.
I'm planning on cloning  the Mean Time IPA.  It uses invert no. 1.  The Can You Brew it show has a lot of info.

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Re: Brewer's Invert Sugar Syrup
« Reply #19 on: March 30, 2017, 05:11:52 pm »

I'm planning on cloning  the Mean Time IPA.  It uses invert no. 1.  The Can You Brew it show has a lot of info.


Be sure to post details/pics on here when you do!
Corn is a fine adjunct in beer.

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Re: Brewer's Invert Sugar Syrup
« Reply #20 on: April 26, 2017, 01:56:36 pm »



If you ever brew for an event where there's enough beer drinkers to kill a 5.4 gallon pin, I'd highly recommend serving on cask. Though they're still not cheap, the current dollar/pound exchange rate has brought the price of casks down. (http://www.ukbrewing.com/)



You can just flip a 5 gallon corny upside down once primed, condition and let drop bright and then dispense out of the gas in post with a tiny piece of line and a cobra tap hooked up to the gas disconnect and use the liquid out as the vent (add a liquid disconnect without anything attached or with a sanitary filter).  Works really well.

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Re: Brewer's Invert Sugar Syrup
« Reply #21 on: April 26, 2017, 03:32:19 pm »
That sounds like an option as well. I've already got a pin though, so I'll continue to use it.

Honestly, if I had the chance to serve cask ale more often I'd just buy more pins. It's a really convenient size/shape for me to store, and I find it easier to move around than a corny. Fewer sanitation concerns as well, since there aren't any valves/poppets to clean.
Corn is a fine adjunct in beer.

And don't buy stale beer.

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Re: Brewer's Invert Sugar Syrup
« Reply #22 on: April 27, 2017, 07:42:16 am »
I would think a pin would be way more difficult to clean just due to the fact you can't really get into them and make sure they are clean like you can with a corny.  Plus a keg washer makes it pretty painless.

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Re: Brewer's Invert Sugar Syrup
« Reply #23 on: April 27, 2017, 09:08:21 am »
Actually, I use my keg washer! I have a keystone bung that I use for cleaning, start with a alkaline brewery wash soak, then rinse, then onto the keg washer for another ABW application/rinse. Hasn't failed me yet. Might even fit in my oven, it I wanted to sanitize it that way...

FWIW, I have different ideas of what's easy to clean due to my very small kitchen sink/condo kitchen layout. It's easier to just put the pin in the sink, fill it, then rotate it to drain than it is to fire up the keg washer, then carefully carry the washer over to the sink to dump.
Corn is a fine adjunct in beer.

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Re: Brewer's Invert Sugar Syrup
« Reply #24 on: April 27, 2017, 09:38:37 am »
Fair enough.  Might need to start looking to pick up a pin when I get the funds . . . . especially since our club does cask nights once a month and it would be way cooler to have a pin than an upside down corny.

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Re: Brewer's Invert Sugar Syrup
« Reply #25 on: April 27, 2017, 10:52:02 am »
It's five weeks since bottling and the Ordinary Bitter brewed with the invert syrup (9.5%) is delicious.  There is a little raisin and honey and the smooth buttery mouthfeel is there as well.  Can't wait to try it in more English styles.  Are there any other recommendations from the Forum?


@Philbrew, what was your actual recipe for the Ordinary Bitter. i am basically brewing the one from BCS with WLP030&WLP033. Second generation, I woulld like to give the invert a try in a recipe
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Re: Brewer's Invert Sugar Syrup
« Reply #26 on: April 27, 2017, 01:44:11 pm »
Frank,  my recipe for a 3.5 gal. batch was:

Bru'n Water Amber Full water profile w/ 1 ml lactic gave mash ph 5.4  (BIAB mash)

4 lb. TF Marris Otter, 67.4%
8 oz. Carapils, 8.4%
6 oz. Biscuit malt, 6.3%
4 oz. Carmel/crystal 45L, 4.2%
4 oz. Pale Chocolate malt 225L, 4.2%
9 oz. Brewers invert syrup #2, 32 SRM @ 10 min. remaining in boil, 9.4%

.75 oz. Glacier (pellet) @ 60 min.
.75 oz. EKG (cone) @ 15 min.
.75 oz. EKG (cone) in whirlpool

Danstar London ESB yeast (but your yeast combo may be better)

Let us know how it comes out.  Cheers
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Re: Brewer's Invert Sugar Syrup
« Reply #27 on: April 27, 2017, 10:07:54 pm »
Thanks Phil brew. I need to get the first batches done first. Hoping for Saturday

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Conditioning: Nothing (UGH!)
In keg: Nothing (Double UGH!)
In the works:  House IPA, Dark Mild, Ballantine Ale clone(still trying to work this one into the schedule)

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Re: Brewer's Invert Sugar Syrup
« Reply #28 on: April 28, 2017, 02:09:04 am »
It's five weeks since bottling and the Ordinary Bitter brewed with the invert syrup (9.5%) is delicious.  There is a little raisin and honey and the smooth buttery mouthfeel is there as well.  Can't wait to try it in more English styles.  Are there any other recommendations from the Forum?



Personally I'd make a mild next, bitters and milds were the mainstays of british pubs until crap lager took over in the 80s.
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Re: Brewer's Invert Sugar Syrup
« Reply #29 on: April 28, 2017, 08:27:36 am »
And on that note:

http://barclayperkins.blogspot.nl/2014/01/lets-brew-wednesday-1945-tetleys-mild.html

I've brewed versions of this, but always in an "American Mild" vein. (US grains and hops)

FWIW, the one time I did the 3 hour boil this beer turned out much better than the second time around with a 1 hour boil...other variables may have been responsible, to take that for what it's worth.
Corn is a fine adjunct in beer.

And don't buy stale beer.