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No flameout when using whirlpool hops?
« on: March 28, 2017, 01:10:51 AM »
For an IPA,

Does anyone think there is any use using flameout-zero minute Hops-when you are just going to cool down, to let's say 175, add a bunch of extra hops, and whirlpool?   Seems like it would be better just to add flameout to whirlpool addition to make it easier.

Got a pump, so now that I have been doing whirlpooling, I've been trying to take all of my old recipes (that had flameout additions) and change them.

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Re: No flameout when using whirlpool hops?
« Reply #1 on: March 28, 2017, 02:39:23 AM »
Right, if I'm doing a low temp whirlpool, it is to minimize IBUs from that addition. I wait until I hit my target whirlpool temp and make my addition then.

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Re: No flameout when using whirlpool hops?
« Reply #2 on: March 28, 2017, 03:44:04 AM »
I was pondering the same thing yesterday, and decided to hold them just for the whirlpool.  Realistically, I doubt it would make a huge difference, but I also read a Brulosophy experiment where a lower-temp whirlpool was preferred.  So I don't stress too much if I go a bit past my whirlpool temp.  There's just something satisfying about throwing in some flameout hops though!

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Re: No flameout when using whirlpool hops?
« Reply #3 on: March 28, 2017, 12:57:17 PM »
I do both, that's not to say it's the best practice by any means...

I also shoot for 170 but often end up in the 160's, simply overshooting my target.

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Re: No flameout when using whirlpool hops?
« Reply #4 on: March 28, 2017, 02:09:53 PM »
I do an addition at flameout and then immediately start whirlpooling, so I guess it's the same thing? I'm also boiling at 194°F, so take that for whatever it's worth.

I also read a Brulosophy experiment where a lower-temp whirlpool was preferred.

Has there been another? The results of the one I've seen weren't significant.

http://brulosophy.com/2016/02/01/the-hop-stand-hot-vs-chilled-wort-exbeeriment-results/
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Re: No flameout when using whirlpool hops?
« Reply #5 on: March 28, 2017, 02:59:19 PM »
For my IIPA I added all my flavor and aroma hops at 175 this year and WP for 60 minutes and it turned out fantastic.  Cut back on my dry hop additions

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Re: No flameout when using whirlpool hops?
« Reply #6 on: March 28, 2017, 05:18:21 PM »
The currently posted article on post boil and whirlpool hops on the AHA website has some interesting results.
One thing noted was that extended whirlpool times were actually preferred less by the sample tasters than a 10 minute whirlpool. I am all about saving some time in my process.  Will be testing that theory. 
Take a look at that article.
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Re: No flameout when using whirlpool hops?
« Reply #7 on: March 28, 2017, 05:23:58 PM »
The currently posted article on post boil and whirlpool hops on the AHA website has some interesting results.
One thing noted was that extended whirlpool times were actually preferred less by the sample tasters than a 10 minute whirlpool. I am all about saving some time in my process.  Will be testing that theory. 
Take a look at that article.

Interesting. I would love the time savings. Extended whirlpooling times is one reason that keeps me from using that technique a lot.

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Re: No flameout when using whirlpool hops?
« Reply #8 on: March 28, 2017, 05:50:18 PM »
I do an addition at flameout and then immediately start whirlpooling, so I guess it's the same thing? I'm also boiling at 194°F, so take that for whatever it's worth.

I also read a Brulosophy experiment where a lower-temp whirlpool was preferred.

Has there been another? The results of the one I've seen weren't significant.

http://brulosophy.com/2016/02/01/the-hop-stand-hot-vs-chilled-wort-exbeeriment-results/

Why yes, there has, with a larger sample size.  Where have you been?  ;)  https://www.experimentalbrew.com/experiments/writeups/writeup-hop-whirlpool-does-steeping-lower-temperature-improve-final-hop
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Re: No flameout when using whirlpool hops?
« Reply #9 on: March 28, 2017, 05:51:12 PM »
FWIW, I have stopped doing whirlpool additions and gone back to more traditional hop schedules.
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Re: No flameout when using whirlpool hops?
« Reply #10 on: March 28, 2017, 08:39:49 PM »
Why yes, there has, with a larger sample size.  Where have you been?  ;)  https://www.experimentalbrew.com/experiments/writeups/writeup-hop-whirlpool-does-steeping-lower-temperature-improve-final-hop

It's almost like I have something else taking up most of my time! ;)

I guess I'm not surprised that there's a significant difference given the large temperature range, and considering the food-safety implications of a whirlpool at 120°F the results may not be directly applicable to brewing.
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Re: No flameout when using whirlpool hops?
« Reply #11 on: March 28, 2017, 08:53:54 PM »
Why yes, there has, with a larger sample size.  Where have you been?  ;)  https://www.experimentalbrew.com/experiments/writeups/writeup-hop-whirlpool-does-steeping-lower-temperature-improve-final-hop

It's almost like I have something else taking up most of my time! ;)

I guess I'm not surprised that there's a significant difference given the large temperature range, and considering the food-safety implications of a whirlpool at 120°F the results may not be directly applicable to brewing.

Yeah, but you've got time for that Brulosophy guy!  :)
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Re: No flameout when using whirlpool hops?
« Reply #12 on: March 28, 2017, 10:23:42 PM »
In my own defense, his writeup came out a year ago...

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Re: No flameout when using whirlpool hops?
« Reply #13 on: March 28, 2017, 11:03:00 PM »
Why yes, there has, with a larger sample size.  Where have you been?  ;)  https://www.experimentalbrew.com/experiments/writeups/writeup-hop-whirlpool-does-steeping-lower-temperature-improve-final-hop

It's almost like I have something else taking up most of my time! ;)

I guess I'm not surprised that there's a significant difference given the large temperature range, and considering the food-safety implications of a whirlpool at 120°F the results may not be directly applicable to brewing.

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Re: No flameout when using whirlpool hops?
« Reply #14 on: March 29, 2017, 12:16:00 AM »
So things are going forward?

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