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Re: Cascade and Chinook Terroir
« Reply #15 on: April 19, 2017, 02:39:21 PM »
Funny, was just dreaming the other day about AUS growers running C hops, specifically Centennial.  I think cents has really faded in recent years. 
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Re: Cascade and Chinook Terroir
« Reply #16 on: April 19, 2017, 02:41:25 PM »
Funny, was just dreaming the other day about AUS growers running C hops, specifically Centennial.  I think cents has really faded in recent years.

Hop growers say Centennial is one of the most difficult breeds they grow and if they could get rid of it they would.  But there is still too much demand for that.  Butit may explain why you see it less and less.
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Re: Cascade and Chinook Terroir
« Reply #17 on: April 19, 2017, 03:11:02 PM »
Hop growers say Centennial is one of the most difficult breeds they grow and if they could get rid of it they would. 

Interesting. My Centennial bines seem as prolific as my Cascade bines. Both are vigorous for me. I had not heard of problems with Centennial before.
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Re: Cascade and Chinook Terroir
« Reply #18 on: April 19, 2017, 03:32:25 PM »
Hop growers say Centennial is one of the most difficult breeds they grow and if they could get rid of it they would. 

Interesting. My Centennial bines seem as prolific as my Cascade bines. Both are vigorous for me. I had not heard of problems with Centennial before.

I think I've read somewhere that they're terrible climbers, probably a bigger problem for farms than us. And I'm sure yours are doing good because of the water you give them :)

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Re: Cascade and Chinook Terroir
« Reply #19 on: April 19, 2017, 03:36:40 PM »
Hop growers say Centennial is one of the most difficult breeds they grow and if they could get rid of it they would. 

Interesting. My Centennial bines seem as prolific as my Cascade bines. Both are vigorous for me. I had not heard of problems with Centennial before.
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It has a lower yield and some years is adversely affected by the growing conditions. Several growers said that they don't like Centennial - as growers. Stan Hieronymus stated that it is a favorite of Brewers due to it being just about the only Hop with Cis-Rose Oxide, a rose smelling floral compound.
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Re: Cascade and Chinook Terroir
« Reply #20 on: April 19, 2017, 03:39:11 PM »
Hop growers say Centennial is one of the most difficult breeds they grow and if they could get rid of it they would. 

Interesting. My Centennial bines seem as prolific as my Cascade bines. Both are vigorous for me. I had not heard of problems with Centennial before.

But you're not a commercial grower!  If you go to Hop and Brew School and ask one of the growers about Centennial, get ready for a tirade!
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Re: Cascade and Chinook Terroir
« Reply #21 on: April 19, 2017, 05:50:09 PM »
If you go to Hop and Brew School and ask one of the growers about Centennial, get ready for a tirade!

Is the tirade included in the Hop and Brew school tuition?  ;)
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Re: Cascade and Chinook Terroir
« Reply #22 on: April 19, 2017, 06:03:49 PM »
If you go to Hop and Brew School and ask one of the growers about Centennial, get ready for a tirade!

Is the tirade included in the Hop and Brew school tuition?  ;)

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Re: Cascade and Chinook Terroir
« Reply #23 on: April 19, 2017, 07:01:06 PM »
Hop growers say Centennial is one of the most difficult breeds they grow and if they could get rid of it they would. 

Interesting. My Centennial bines seem as prolific as my Cascade bines. Both are vigorous for me. I had not heard of problems with Centennial before.
Stan Hieronymus stated that it is a favorite of Brewers due to it being just about the only Hop with Cis-Rose Oxide, a rose smelling floral compound.

Yep, that's it.  To me, it combines with the citrus and giving an almost liliac/fresh grape note.  Still my favorite.   
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Re: Cascade and Chinook Terroir
« Reply #24 on: April 19, 2017, 11:42:36 PM »
Hop growers say Centennial is one of the most difficult breeds they grow and if they could get rid of it they would. 

Interesting. My Centennial bines seem as prolific as my Cascade bines. Both are vigorous for me. I had not heard of problems with Centennial before.

 And I'm sure yours are doing good because of the water you give them :)

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Re: Cascade and Chinook Terroir
« Reply #25 on: April 22, 2017, 01:22:05 AM »
This all makes me wonder besides weather and location what type of soil amendments could radically affect the hop smells and flavor profile?

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Re: Cascade and Chinook Terroir
« Reply #26 on: April 22, 2017, 01:55:00 AM »
From what I'm coming to find is that most of the legacy growers (PNW) know what the hops need during the reproductive growth phase in the way of nutrients to coax the best oil profile to develop, but there are other factors that play a much bigger role in the quality of the final oil composition.  Growing temperatures throughout the season have a huge impact on the quality of the oil package as does harvest timing as the plants push a ton of energy into making the oils/resins within like the last week or so leading up to harvest.  Now, if you have so much acreage of one variety that it takes you an entire week to harvest, the oil composition of the early harvested vs the late harvested can be quite different, so the lots are generally blended to homogenize things a bit.  It's easy to grow hops, but not so easy to grow high quality hops year in and year out. 

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Re: Cascade and Chinook Terroir
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2017, 02:14:55 PM »
Hop growers say Centennial is one of the most difficult breeds they grow and if they could get rid of it they would. 

Interesting. My Centennial bines seem as prolific as my Cascade bines. Both are vigorous for me. I had not heard of problems with Centennial before.

This is interesting to me, because my cascades are my worst growers followed by CTZ. My centennials grow really well. My best grower is chinook. It's like gang busters! I live in NE Ohio.
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Re: Cascade and Chinook Terroir
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2017, 03:28:00 PM »
This all makes me wonder besides weather and location what type of soil amendments could radically affect the hop smells and flavor profile?

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I'm interested in this too. Hopefully someone less lazy than me does the research and posts. :D
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Re: Cascade and Chinook Terroir
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2017, 06:09:54 PM »
Hop growers say Centennial is one of the most difficult breeds they grow and if they could get rid of it they would. 

Interesting. My Centennial bines seem as prolific as my Cascade bines. Both are vigorous for me. I had not heard of problems with Centennial before.

This is interesting to me, because my cascades are my worst growers followed by CTZ. My centennials grow really well. My best grower is chinook. It's like gang busters! I live in NE Ohio.

I'm in Sandusky OH and centennial were my best out of cascade, ctz, and crystal.  For the amount of effort, I did not care for hop growing.  Aphids, weeds, oh my!
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