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I have a couple of questions about Dry Lager Yeast
« on: May 20, 2017, 08:50:30 PM »
       Today I brewed an OctoberFest, with an OG of 1.059. I chilled to about 70 and transfered to the fermenter and put in the fridge with a controller set at 55. I have 2 packs of S-23 Saflager.
       I was going to wait till it got to 55 and then pitch hopefully later this evening.
I usually just sprinkle dry ale yeast but I'm wondering if I should rehydrate the yeast since it's a lager.
I also am not sure if I need to aerate the wort, since from what I've read it's not needed with dry yeast.
The only aeration was splashing while draining to the fermenter.  I don't have any way to aerate other then shaking.
      I've read different opinions of the S-23 yeast and didn't really want to use but it was the only dry lager yeast at the shop. If anyone has any first hand tips for this yeast I'd appreciate it. ( And I already know that Denny hates it)

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Re: I have a couple of questions about Dry Lager Yeast
« Reply #1 on: May 20, 2017, 10:33:32 PM »
Assuming 5-6 gallons, with two packs, you don't need to rehydrate.  If you want to save and just use one pack, then yes I'd rehydrate.

No aeration required with dry yeast.

It just doesn't get any easier than sprinkling dry yeast and walkin' away.

I've never used the S-23 yet.  Someday I'll probably try it.  I know Denny dislikes it but that wouldn't necessarily stop me!  ;)  Maybe we like it.
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Re: I have a couple of questions about Dry Lager Yeast
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2017, 01:05:10 AM »
Thanks for tips, I pitched both packs didn't rehydrate.
I'll try and remember to post the results .


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Re: I have a couple of questions about Dry Lager Yeast
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2017, 03:35:59 PM »
Assuming 5-6 gallons, with two packs, you don't need to rehydrate.  If you want to save and just use one pack, then yes I'd rehydrate.

No aeration required with dry yeast.

It just doesn't get any easier than sprinkling dry yeast and walkin' away.

I've never used the S-23 yet.  Someday I'll probably try it.  I know Denny dislikes it but that wouldn't necessarily stop me!  ;)  Maybe we like it.

I know people who have made great beers with it.  I know people who have had experiences as bad as mine with it.
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Re: I have a couple of questions about Dry Lager Yeast
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2017, 04:39:28 PM »
I've use S-23 many times for California Commons.I ferment around 60 F, and I love it. For lagers I prefer S-189.
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Re: I have a couple of questions about Dry Lager Yeast
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2017, 08:12:35 PM »
I've use S-23 many times for California Commons.I ferment around 60 F, and I love it. For lagers I prefer S-189.

I have it set at 55, I'm keeping my fingers crossed.
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Re: I have a couple of questions about Dry Lager Yeast
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2017, 09:26:25 PM »
I have used S-23 twice and dislike it very much.  I used it at lager fermentation temperature (50°F), so maybe fermenting warmer is the trick.  But with so many good lager yeasts out there, I will never find out. :D

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Re: I have a couple of questions about Dry Lager Yeast
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2017, 09:32:49 PM »
I won a club competition with S-23 in a Tropical Stout.  Really brought out the fruitiness sought after in the style. ;D
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Re: I have a couple of questions about Dry Lager Yeast
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2017, 09:43:26 PM »
I have used S-23 twice and dislike it very much.  I used it at lager fermentation temperature (50°F), so maybe fermenting warmer is the trick.  But with so many good lager yeasts out there, I will never find out. :D

It couldn't have been much worse than WLP820... could it?  WLP820 is a great yeast... if you like really long lag times, and to always finish at like 1.022, or maybe 1.020 if you're real lucky.  :o  For that reason I've been saying for probably the past 10 years already, any other lager yeast on the planet is better.  Perhaps S-23 is in a similar bucket.  But I've been so happy with Wyeast 2308 that I just haven't brought myself to try much else yet.
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Re: I have a couple of questions about Dry Lager Yeast
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2017, 11:25:14 PM »
I have used S-23 twice and dislike it very much.  I used it at lager fermentation temperature (50°F), so maybe fermenting warmer is the trick.  But with so many good lager yeasts out there, I will never find out. :D

It couldn't have been much worse than WLP820... could it?  WLP820 is a great yeast... if you like really long lag times, and to always finish at like 1.022, or maybe 1.020 if you're real lucky.  :o  For that reason I've been saying for probably the past 10 years already, any other lager yeast on the planet is better.  Perhaps S-23 is in a similar bucket.  But I've been so happy with Wyeast 2308 that I just haven't brought myself to try much else yet.

I don't have any attenuation issues with S-23. Last batch (on tap now) attenuated at 76% down to 1.012.
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Re: I have a couple of questions about Dry Lager Yeast
« Reply #10 on: May 23, 2017, 02:09:23 AM »
The issue I have with S-23 is not attenuation, it is fruity esters production that are totally inappropriate in a lager. I once brewed a pilsner with it that tasted like passion fruit.  And not just a hint, totally overwhelming.

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Re: I have a couple of questions about Dry Lager Yeast
« Reply #11 on: May 23, 2017, 12:03:00 PM »
Sorry, I didn't mean to say anything about the attenuation of S-23.
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Re: I have a couple of questions about Dry Lager Yeast
« Reply #12 on: May 23, 2017, 03:20:18 PM »
I have used S-23 twice and dislike it very much.  I used it at lager fermentation temperature (50°F), so maybe fermenting warmer is the trick.  But with so many good lager yeasts out there, I will never find out. :D

Remember the BVIp you sent me that was made with S-23?  It was pretty good, but the deficiencies of the yeast worked pretty well for it.
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Re: I have a couple of questions about Dry Lager Yeast
« Reply #13 on: May 23, 2017, 04:52:24 PM »
I have used S-23 twice and dislike it very much.  I used it at lager fermentation temperature (50°F), so maybe fermenting warmer is the trick.  But with so many good lager yeasts out there, I will never find out. :D

Remember the BVIp you sent me that was made with S-23?  It was pretty good, but the deficiencies of the yeast worked pretty well for it.

Yep.  Nothing like a little bourbon and vanilla to mask the S-23 taste.

And, I am sure it would be the go-to yeast for making a tropical stout.  ;)

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Re: I have a couple of questions about Dry Lager Yeast
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2017, 07:20:11 PM »
Yep.  Nothing like a little bourbon and vanilla to mask the S-23 taste.

And, I am sure it would be the go-to yeast for making a tropical stout.  ;)

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