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« on: June 02, 2017, 09:43:05 AM »
I struggle with so many micro breweries really struggling with an array of off flavors that really distract from good IPAs.  As someone who absolutely hated IPAs for many many years, I have figured out why.  Most have a horrific common off flavors. 

So this Trouble brewing- here comes trouble.  They are not wrong.  This IPA is 5.9% and is plagued with diacetyl, and cabbage dms.  Then the Belgian Wit and Pale Ale having Diacetyl present.  At first I thought it was my glass so I drank from the can, and found the same issues.

Is it just me or are most of you finding a similar issues with many micro breweries struggling with having similar off flavors in most of their products?

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Re: Micro IPAs
« Reply #1 on: June 02, 2017, 09:51:30 AM »
Not just you at all. With so many average to subpar breweries making so many IPAs, I've all but stopped buying them. It's rare to find one I like as well as mine, partly for just freshness and partly for recipe/approach. Most are sweeter and more underattenuated than I like, some with fermentation flaws like you describe. I'd rather drink pretty much any beer than an old or a piss poor made IPA.
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Re: Micro IPAs
« Reply #2 on: June 02, 2017, 10:01:19 AM »
For me it's a piss poor IPA, Hefe, Helles, and Berliner Weiss that honestly I get nervous with every thought of trying a new one.

So many breweries have bastardized those beers it's hard to try a new one.

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« Reply #3 on: June 02, 2017, 10:38:19 AM »
And this why I brew my own and drink coors banquet.
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Re: Micro IPAs
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2017, 10:42:21 AM »
And this why I brew my own and drink coors banquet.


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Stop drinking Coors... pretty please. There are better Micro/macro breweries than Coors.  I would have to SAY at the least Sam Adams is a reliable, great tasting, macro you can get with reliable freshness anywhere in the states.

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Re: Micro IPAs
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2017, 10:42:55 AM »
Im down to begging.  Coors is not a good beer, it's a last resort beer.

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Re: Micro IPAs
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2017, 10:50:41 AM »
Plenty of garbage out there.

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Re: Micro IPAs
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2017, 11:19:46 AM »
Im down to begging.  Coors is not a good beer, it's a last resort beer.

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I live 2 miles from a Bud plant and seek that out regularly. And I love Coors Banquet beer.

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Re: Micro IPAs
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2017, 11:43:36 AM »
I've had some pretty bad beers when trying some new local offerings. I've taken to only trying new breweries when I can get one bottle or can in a mixed six-pack
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Re: Micro IPAs
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2017, 01:00:36 PM »
In Seattle I haven't ran into to many cringe worthy beers.  There was one from a brewery in Bellevue that was horrible, but I can't remember the name.
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« Reply #10 on: June 02, 2017, 01:17:48 PM »
One might be able to say that they don't like the flavor of American Macro beers, but the fact is they are a better made product than about 75% of the craft beer out there.


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Re: Micro IPAs
« Reply #11 on: June 02, 2017, 01:34:45 PM »
And this why I brew my own and drink coors banquet.


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Stop drinking Coors... pretty please. There are better Micro/macro breweries than Coors.  I would have to SAY at the least Sam Adams is a reliable, great tasting, macro you can get with reliable freshness anywhere in the states.

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I've always found Sam Adams a bit boring, plus it's kind of expensive. Mostly because the variety packs only have 9 beers I enjoy, and 3 cranberry maple cherry wit stouts.

My biggest problem isn't with IPA's-it's with session IPA's and double IPA's. It seems like a lot of the DIPAs are hot and saccharinely sweet, and the session IPA's don't have enough going on.

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Re: Micro IPAs
« Reply #12 on: June 02, 2017, 01:35:09 PM »
One might be able to say that they don't like the flavor of American Macro beers, but the fact is they are a better made product than about 75% of the craft beer out there.


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I think your percentage is high.  I'd just say "better than many".  Unless you've tried them all, there's no way you could call out an exact percentage.
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Re: Micro IPAs
« Reply #13 on: June 02, 2017, 01:57:36 PM »
I'm in agreement that most craft beer sucks, sadly. While Denny is right, I haven't tried them all and therefore don't have real numbers, I have tried many Maryland beers...and Derrick's numbers are pretty close. Some are simply only in business because they're a local brewery. I'd say it's about 25% God-awful, 45% drinkable, and 30% is very good. (*cough*flyingdogisone*cough*)

My default beer is Yuengling.

Someone on here mentioned Hamms, which has also become a staple for me. Brian, you owe it to yourself to put down the Coors and try and find some fresh Hamms. Very helles-like, and I'm pretty sure they're low-O2. And Hamms is $12.84 for a 24-pack here in MD, so up your way...
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Re: Micro IPAs
« Reply #14 on: June 02, 2017, 01:59:43 PM »
One might be able to say that they don't like the flavor of American Macro beers, but the fact is they are a better made product than about 75% of the craft beer out there.


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I think your percentage is high.  I'd just say "better than many".  Unless you've tried them all, there's no way you could call out an exact percentage.

Correction: "...better made products than a vast majority of craft beer out there."