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30% pilsner malt, 60 or 90 min boil
« on: July 07, 2017, 04:17:33 AM »
 I'm getting ready to brew a beer with 30% Pilsner malt and 70% Vienna. Does anyone think I need to do a 90 minute boil, or can I get away with a vigorous 60 minute boil?
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Re: 30% pilsner malt, 60 or 90 min boil
« Reply #1 on: July 07, 2017, 10:10:09 AM »
You will be fine with a 60 min boil.
I routinely use up to 100% pils malt in a grist and a 60 min boil time.
No issues.
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Re: 30% pilsner malt, 60 or 90 min boil
« Reply #2 on: July 07, 2017, 10:38:26 AM »
You will be fine with a 60 min boil.
I routinely use up to 100% pils malt in a grist and a 60 min boil time.
No issues.
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Re: 30% pilsner malt, 60 or 90 min boil
« Reply #3 on: July 07, 2017, 11:57:59 AM »
You'd be better off with a 60 minute non vigorous boil!


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Re: 30% pilsner malt, 60 or 90 min boil
« Reply #4 on: July 07, 2017, 11:59:21 AM »
The need for a long boil when using Pils malt has been disproven. I no longer perform 90 minute boils, regardless of Pils content and don't have DMS issues.
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Re: 30% pilsner malt, 60 or 90 min boil
« Reply #5 on: July 07, 2017, 12:15:10 PM »
The need for a long boil when using Pils malt has been disproven. I no longer perform 90 minute boils, regardless of Pils content and don't have DMS issues.


Same here.
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Re: 30% pilsner malt, 60 or 90 min boil
« Reply #6 on: July 07, 2017, 01:39:56 PM »
I do 90.  IMO you'll be fine with 60.

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Re: 30% pilsner malt, 60 or 90 min boil
« Reply #7 on: July 07, 2017, 01:47:07 PM »
Did a 45 min boil with majority of pils malt on a down and dirty batch. No issues.
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Re: 30% pilsner malt, 60 or 90 min boil
« Reply #8 on: July 07, 2017, 02:09:02 PM »
PH helps with this as well. A pH of 5.4 in the boil will get rid of dms something like 50% faster than 5.2. Of course its maltser variety, and malting specific.
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Re: 30% pilsner malt, 60 or 90 min boil
« Reply #9 on: July 07, 2017, 03:47:19 PM »
DMS concerns are way overblown.  The only way to get DMS in my experience is to try super hard to get it on purpose with a really short, weak boil, with the lid on.  Otherwise you could probably get away with as short as about a 45-minute boil I think.
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Re: 30% pilsner malt, 60 or 90 min boil
« Reply #10 on: July 07, 2017, 03:56:37 PM »
DMS concerns are way overblown.  The only way to get DMS in my experience is to try super hard to get it on purpose with a really short, weak boil, with the lid on.  Otherwise you could probably get away with as short as about a 45-minute boil I think.
I can repeatedly get it with a soft boil and a low boil pH, with sub 5% boil off.  NOW with that said, for 99% of homebrewers, they boil so hard that it's going to be very difficult.  I would say you could easily do 30 minutes with the standard home brewer boil.
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Re: 30% pilsner malt, 60 or 90 min boil
« Reply #11 on: July 07, 2017, 04:24:21 PM »
I agree that you almost have to force it to have DMS linger.  I boil hard only the last 10 minutes or so of the boil, with the cover off, the rest of the time its 75% covered boil at just above a simmer.  I have had judges search for DMS and call it out when it isn't there (such as with an American Premium Lager using adjunct).  One said I needed to boil longer.  Oh well....BJCP judges aren't infallible. (Yes, I am one.)
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Re: 30% pilsner malt, 60 or 90 min boil
« Reply #12 on: July 07, 2017, 04:36:26 PM »
PH helps with this as well. A pH of 5.4 in the boil will get rid of dms something like 50% faster than 5.2. Of course its maltser variety, and malting specific.


Bryan, just curious - are you still in favor of 5.2 for your lagers? I know there are a lot of positives (per Kunze). I'm sure liking mine @ 5.2 . No DMS issues for me.
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Re: 30% pilsner malt, 60 or 90 min boil
« Reply #13 on: July 07, 2017, 04:57:40 PM »
judges search for DMS and call it out when it isn't there....BJCP judges aren't infallible. (Yes, I am one.)

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Re: 30% pilsner malt, 60 or 90 min boil
« Reply #14 on: July 08, 2017, 02:56:10 PM »
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