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Wyeast 3522 questions
« on: October 05, 2017, 02:52:56 AM »
I’ve scoured the interwebs on this yeast and keep coming up with so many different opinions on it.  Wyeast’s description says balanced subtle fruit and delicate spice.  Wyeast lists it as High Flocc and medium attenuation (at least for a Belgian).  It’s supposeldy the Achouffe yeast which is wlp550 from White Labs and their description is the polar opposite. 

In Brew Like a Monk it lists all the flavor profiles of some popular Wyeast Belgian strains.  It’s lists 3522 as “clean and malty” in the temp range 65-75????

Read some posts from Denny that said it’s relatively clean, or at least clean for a Belgian, below 63 but gets too banana above that???

I’m so confused by this yeast.  Does anyone have any more insight on it?  Used it a ton and know it’s true profiles at different temp ranges. Also can it be manipulated with O2 and/or pitch rate?

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

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Re: Wyeast 3522 questions
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2017, 12:09:50 PM »
I've used 3522 many times. At ~ 64F I think it gives a nice balance of fruity and spicy character. I haven't used it much warmer than that as I don't like overbearing esters and phenols. I think it's an excellent, well balanced Belgian strain, suitable in most Belgian styles. Never used the WL version. I wouldn't be surprised if there are noticeable differences between the two.
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Re: Wyeast 3522 questions
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2017, 03:20:44 PM »
I've used 3522 many times. At ~ 64F I think it gives a nice balance of fruity and spicy character. I haven't used it much warmer than that as I don't like overbearing esters and phenols. I think it's an excellent, well balanced Belgian strain, suitable in most Belgian styles. Never used the WL version. I wouldn't be surprised if there are noticeable differences between the two.

This, except for the last part.  I haven't used the White version, either, but I wouldn't assume there are no differences between the 2.
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Re: Wyeast 3522 questions
« Reply #3 on: October 05, 2017, 04:34:52 PM »
I also have not used the White Labs version, but have used 3522 many many times.  I've used it at temps probably up to 68 and enjoy it very much.  I don't recall much banana flavor from it, at all.  Definitely some fruit and spice.

This is my go-to yeast for lighter (color) Belgians.  I don't enjoy it as much in darker beers and think there are better options for those.  But that is not to say it does not make a good dubbel or BDSA, just not wholly to my preference.
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Re: Wyeast 3522 questions
« Reply #4 on: October 05, 2017, 05:17:09 PM »
I've used 3522 many times. At ~ 64F I think it gives a nice balance of fruity and spicy character. I haven't used it much warmer than that as I don't like overbearing esters and phenols. I think it's an excellent, well balanced Belgian strain, suitable in most Belgian styles. Never used the WL version. I wouldn't be surprised if there are noticeable differences between the two.

This, except for the last part.  I haven't used the White version, either, but I wouldn't assume there are no differences between the 2.


Yeah, that's what I was saying, Denny - that I wouldn't be surprised if there are noticeable differences.
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Re: Wyeast 3522 questions
« Reply #5 on: October 05, 2017, 06:52:39 PM »
Definitely balanced more to the phenols than the esters, so I don't think it works too well for small/session styles, but it is relatively neutral and plays well with big alcohol or malt flavors. Overpitching can drive a little more ester production though. The most flocculant Belgian strain I've used by far. I didn't see any strong flavor impact from aerated vs. non-aerated wort, and didn't play around with extreme temperatures. Pitched at 22°C a couple times to try to drive more esters, but it seemed to have the opposite effect.

I'm now using a blend of equal parts 1214 and 3522 for my session Belgian styles and am really happy with the combination.
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Re: Wyeast 3522 questions
« Reply #6 on: October 05, 2017, 07:05:15 PM »
Thanks for the input.

Can anyone imagine it ever being "Clean and Malty" like the description says in Brew like a Monk?

I can't imagine it being like that based on everything I've read about it. 

I'm trying to find a yeast that imparts just a slight bit of Belgian character, manly the fruity aspect was
hoping to be able to tweak 3522 with either pitch rate, temp, or maybe aeration to be able to accomplish this.
I tried over pitching and fermenting at 64 and definitely got quite a bit of phenols.

My next thought is WLP510. 

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Re: Wyeast 3522 questions
« Reply #7 on: October 05, 2017, 07:08:07 PM »
Thanks for the input.

Can anyone imagine it ever being "Clean and Malty" like the description says in Brew like a Monk?

I can't imagine it being like that based on everything I've read about it. 

I'm trying to find a yeast that imparts just a slight bit of Belgian character, manly the fruity aspect was
hoping to be able to tweak 3522 with either pitch rate, temp, or maybe aeration to be able to accomplish this.
I tried over pitching and fermenting at 64 and definitely got quite a bit of phenols.

My next thought is WLP510.

I have never gotten what I would describe as "clean and malty".  It's more tart and phenolic.  I run it in the 63-65F range and it's never fruity for me.  Maybe with a higher temp, but I don't want fruity so I've never tried.  I think what you want is WY3787 based on your description.  BTW, 3522 makes a killer Belgo/American IPA.
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Re: Wyeast 3522 questions
« Reply #8 on: October 05, 2017, 11:27:14 PM »
I've gotten attenuation in the mid 80's very time I've used it.  It's a beast
 
 

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Re: Wyeast 3522 questions
« Reply #9 on: October 23, 2017, 07:58:06 PM »
I've used 3522 twice in a Belgian Blond. The first time I let it ferment at 64, and the beer came out on the cleaner side with subtle phenols. The second time temp control failed and the beer fermented at 70. The result was strong banana esters. Both times the krausen stayed forever (~3 weeks) before dropping, but ultimately the beer was crystal clear even without cold crashing.

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Re: Wyeast 3522 questions
« Reply #10 on: November 05, 2017, 08:33:10 PM »
Ferment at 65F for clove.  70F is clove and banana plus some other fruit.  75F+ is clove, banana, some other fruit and bubblegum.  All the temperatures produce a yeasty Belgian aroma that isn't fruit or spice.  This yeast is not "clean and malty".  1762 (Rochefort) is the closest a Belgian strain gets to clean and malty, but it still smells Belgian without fruit or spice. 

3522 ferments fast.  Drops clear without finings.  Doesn't produce nasty fusels at higher temps.  It can ferment an 8% beer down to 1.007 without using sugar.     

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Re: Wyeast 3522 questions
« Reply #11 on: November 05, 2017, 09:26:19 PM »
Ferment at 65F for clove.  70F is clove and banana plus some other fruit.  75F+ is clove, banana, some other fruit and bubblegum.  All the temperatures produce a yeasty Belgian aroma that isn't fruit or spice.  This yeast is not "clean and malty".  1762 (Rochefort) is the closest a Belgian strain gets to clean and malty, but it still smells Belgian without fruit or spice. 

3522 ferments fast.  Drops clear without finings.  Doesn't produce nasty fusels at higher temps.  It can ferment an 8% beer down to 1.007 without using sugar.   

Interesting.  I've found 3787 to be more in the "clean and malty" vein than 1762.
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Re: Wyeast 3522 questions
« Reply #12 on: November 05, 2017, 09:59:55 PM »
At lower temps, 3787 produces mild spice that isn't clove for me.  Maybe something like cinnamon.  It can also produce banana and major vodka fusels at higher temps.  1762 doesn't produce any fruit or spice for me in the 65-70F range.  Pitch rate and O2 are likely variables we do not share in common.   

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Re: Wyeast 3522 questions
« Reply #13 on: November 06, 2017, 06:15:40 PM »
At lower temps, 3787 produces mild spice that isn't clove for me.  Maybe something like cinnamon.  It can also produce banana and major vodka fusels at higher temps.  1762 doesn't produce any fruit or spice for me in the 65-70F range.  Pitch rate and O2 are likely variables we do not share in common.   

I almost always detect at least some banana from 1762 fermented at 63-65.  Just a difference in perceptions, I guess.  And you have a good point about pitch rate an O2.
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Re: Wyeast 3522 questions
« Reply #14 on: November 06, 2017, 10:06:17 PM »
I rarely ferment it that cold.  I start it at 68 and finish at 72+.  This produces a Belgian (or British) yeasty aroma that isn't fruity or spicy.  It produces esters, but they are below what I can sense.