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red rye ale
« on: November 03, 2017, 01:49:15 PM »
Just looking for some feedback. My goal is to brew something that is red, malty but with a noticeable hop character. I have experience with Red X so know what it brings to the table. That alone has a lot to do with why I designed the beer this way. Any thoughts?

Amber Bitter water

41% pilsner
39% red x
18% rye malt
2% chocolate rye

Nugget 60 min (40 IBU)
1 oz Simcoe 2 min
1 oz Centennial 2 min
1 oz Simcoe DH
1 oz Centennial DH

1.055
13 SRM
US05
« Last Edit: November 03, 2017, 01:54:10 PM by goschman »
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Re: red rye ale
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2017, 01:53:25 PM »
I would drink it and probably enjoy it.  Just brew it!
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Re: red rye ale
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2017, 04:07:14 PM »
I have not worked with RedX yet, but the hop bill looks tasty!

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Re: red rye ale
« Reply #3 on: November 03, 2017, 09:26:55 PM »
I think you are going to need more hops  :P
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Re: red rye ale
« Reply #4 on: November 03, 2017, 11:00:17 PM »
I think you are going to need more hops  :P

Think so? Not going for an ipa or even apa level really
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Re: red rye ale
« Reply #5 on: November 03, 2017, 11:22:21 PM »
I believe the tiger is either A) kidding or B) American.
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Re: red rye ale
« Reply #6 on: November 04, 2017, 12:55:54 PM »
Looks good to me. Let us know how it turns out.
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Re: red rye ale
« Reply #7 on: November 04, 2017, 01:04:05 PM »
looks awesome.  i love simcoe with rye, the spice and piney-ness play great together.

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Re: red rye ale
« Reply #8 on: November 08, 2017, 02:49:14 PM »
Thanks for the input.

I am pretty set on this but am thinking about altering the hops.

Should I:
1.) replace the nugget bittering hops with chinook
2.) leave the nugget but use equal amounts of chinook, centennial, & simcoe as my late hops (instead of centennial & simcoe only)
3.) do nothing

I have little experience with Chinook outside of bittering a couple of times. Looking for some pine and citrus and thought this might play well with the centennial and simcoe.
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Re: red rye ale
« Reply #9 on: November 08, 2017, 02:53:51 PM »
I get pine (among other things) from Simcoe as well as Chinook, so this is really just up to your own opinion.  When I can't decide, I pop each bag, sniff them, and decide based on aroma.
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Re: red rye ale
« Reply #10 on: November 08, 2017, 03:15:08 PM »
I find nugget to have a "gripping" bitterness to it (i.e. hop jolt), whereas I've, surprisingly, found chinook to be a rather smooth bittering addition.  I'd pick the bittering hop based on my desired outcome.

As a late hop, I've found chinook to contribute the resiny, piney, dank citrus qualities it's often known for.  As a dry hop, I get some of that as well but also a noticeable "dried peach" character.  I'm sure this is largely dependent on amount used at those times.  Again, I'd pick based on my desired outcome.

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Re: red rye ale
« Reply #11 on: November 08, 2017, 11:11:19 PM »
Frankly, at that gravity, I'd shoot for something like 30-35 ibus from the nugget and I don't think chinook would hurt.

I'm making something similar this weekend:

68% gw northwest pale ale malt
22% rye malt
5% cararye
2.5% melanoidin
2.5% chocolate rye

1.060

Fwh ctz (30 ibus)
1 oz galaxy 5 min
1 oz galaxy whirlpool
.5 oz ctz whirlpool
1 oz galaxy dh
.5 oz ctz dh

Imperial House yeast (wlp007 equivalent)



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Re: red rye ale
« Reply #12 on: December 28, 2017, 07:26:56 PM »
Just an update on how this beer turned out for anyone who cares.

I couldn't be much happier with this beer however it is definitely quite bold for a 5.4% abv beer. The balance between the rye, hops, and malt character is pretty much spot on for what I was going for. It's the first time I have used red x and felt that the amount was appropriate and got the right hop bitterness to balance it out.

The only negative might be is that I am not sure how well the simcoe hops fit here and I didn't get as much pine as I was hoping for as the hop character is definitely more citrus and some sweet stone fruit influenced by the red x. The color is perhaps slightly light but I would still consider it red and will try to upload a pic at some point. I was a little worried that 20% rye between rye malt and chocolate rye would be overdoing it but it definitely was not.

Below is the hop schedule that I ended up with:
28.00 g Chinook [10.50 %] - Boil 60.0 min Hop 7 33.1 IBUs

24.00 g Centennial [9.30 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 8 2.1 IBUs
24.00 g Simcoe [13.30 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 9 3.0 IBUs
9.00 g Chinook [10.50 %] - Boil 2.0 min Hop 10 0.9 IBUs

25.00 g Chinook [10.50 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 12 0.0 IBUs
17.00 g Centennial [10.40 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 13 0.0 IBUs
17.00 g Simcoe [12.20 %] - Dry Hop 7.0 Days Hop 14 0.0 IBUs
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Re: red rye ale
« Reply #13 on: December 29, 2017, 01:00:04 AM »
It's always nice when a plan comes together. Glad it worked out for you. I have a Rye IPA on tap now with 22% Rye malt and Columbus/Mosaic hops that is tasting good. I like to use at least 20% Rye malt so I can get the flavor coming through.
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Re: red rye ale
« Reply #14 on: December 29, 2017, 02:14:13 AM »
Interesting on your observations of the Simcoe -- I had the exact same experience with a pale ale I brewed recently, which had 3 oz. of Simcoe in the dry hop. I was hoping for something much more piney than I got -- lots of tropical fruit and citrus, no evergreen tree. I'll probably try something else I want more prominent pine in my profile.
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