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Mandarina Bavaria disgusting?!
« on: January 01, 2018, 12:49:59 AM »
I recently brewed a 6.6G batch of Marmalade IPA. Grist was 82.5% MO, 10.5% Munich, 7% Caramunich. Hops were Pacifica and Mandarina Bavaria. I used a mixture of zested Seville oranges and a jar of marmalade post fermentation.

All was going well prior to kegging - tasted great, but I wasn't happy with the aroma. No problem, I thought, I'll just dry hop it some more in the keg (Already dry hopped with 1.7oz Pacifica and 1.7oz Mandarina Bavaria in the fermenter). I thought I'd bang it with a large charge as I was only going to dry hop for 2 days cold, then remove the hop sock once the beer was carbonated. So I added 3.5oz Mandarina Bavaria to the keg via a hop sock, cranked up the pressure to 35PSI at 35°F and left it for 35hrs. When I tasted it after that time it was absolutely undrinkable - seriously disgusting. I realise that 3.5oz of dry hopping was a large charge, especially after already being dry hopped with 3.5oz, but I'm quite amazed at how this beer has turned from something quite delicious to something so bad in 35hrs.

Is Mandarina Bavaria just a bad hop variety? Even now the aroma is still not strong - I'm thinking I'll never use MB again! Anyone else had this? Also, I'm guessing the foul flavour is coming from suspended hops - will that drop out in a few days and leave me with a drinkable beer?

Hop schedule was as follows:
1oz Magnum @ 60mins
1.7oz Pacifica @ 0mins (5mins whirlpool, another 10min steep)
1.7oz Mandarina Bavaria @ 0mins (5mins whirlpool, another 10min steep)
1.7oz Pacifica dry in fermenter for 5 days
1.7oz Mandarina Bavaria dry in fermenter for 5 days
3.5oz Mandarina Bavaria dry in keg for 2 days @ 35°F

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Re: Mandarina Bavaria disgusting?!
« Reply #1 on: January 01, 2018, 01:02:54 AM »
With all the extra stuff you added, I wouldn't rush to blame hops. I've brewed my way through a pound of Mandarina and found it to be marvelous.

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Re: Mandarina Bavaria disgusting?!
« Reply #2 on: January 01, 2018, 01:37:26 AM »
Except it was tasting great prior to dry hopping for the second time...

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Re: Mandarina Bavaria disgusting?!
« Reply #3 on: January 01, 2018, 01:47:56 AM »
Can you describe "foul" a little better. Some folks get a nasty vomit like thing when fermenting orange products.

Without tasting it it's hard to say. But hops would be my very last guess, and I'd have huge doubt then.

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Re: Mandarina Bavaria disgusting?!
« Reply #4 on: January 01, 2018, 04:04:49 AM »
I have brewed a Mandarina APA that used a little dry hops, it was wonderful.

The taste I had of a Mandarina Pils in Germany was outstanding. That was all my wife would allow me to taste.

I think it is a great hop, and have enough for a Pilsner.
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Re: Mandarina Bavaria disgusting?!
« Reply #5 on: January 01, 2018, 04:08:16 AM »
Thanks for the responses - I'll have another sample when I get home and try and describe the taste in more detail!

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Re: Mandarina Bavaria disgusting?!
« Reply #6 on: January 01, 2018, 11:27:41 AM »
The unpleasant taste has softened a lot today. I would describe it as a strong dirt/vegetal taste. Seems to me like I was pretty much drinking hops before and it will continue to soften as they drop out


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Re: Mandarina Bavaria disgusting?!
« Reply #7 on: January 01, 2018, 01:34:15 PM »
I played around a lot with Mandarina Bavaria when it first became available a few years ago.  It is a superb hop for tangerine flavor but when overdone can lead to a earthy, pith flavor.  To get the same flavors, but mellow it out a bit, I've had success combining it with Huell Melon with the amounts slightly flavoring the Mandarina Bavaria.  This gave me softer tangerine flavors but distinctly tangerine aromas. 

I'm anxious to try Mandarina in a pilsner.  It works fine for APAs, but I don't think I would count on it to be the main flavor/aroma hop in an IPA again.

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Re: Mandarina Bavaria disgusting?!
« Reply #8 on: January 01, 2018, 02:28:03 PM »
It's definitely not out of the question that you got some improperly packaged hops, especially if your supplier repackages them.
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Re: Mandarina Bavaria disgusting?!
« Reply #9 on: January 01, 2018, 03:39:45 PM »
It's definitely not out of the question that you got some improperly packaged hops, especially if your supplier repackages them.

Yeah, that's what I'd guess.
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Re: Mandarina Bavaria disgusting?!
« Reply #10 on: January 01, 2018, 04:55:00 PM »
The unpleasant taste has softened a lot today. I would describe it as a strong dirt/vegetal taste. Seems to me like I was pretty much drinking hops before and it will continue to soften as they drop out


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Not sure about the dirt, but vegetal/grassy can come from very heavy dryhop amounts.  As you mentioned it was a heavy charge, and if it hasn't had time to equal itself out that could be it.  Hopefully it continues to improve.

We use Mandarina Bavaria in my wife's chocolate orange stout and we love it, but it's a very small amount (1 oz in 3 gallons, no dry hop).
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Re: Mandarina Bavaria disgusting?!
« Reply #11 on: January 02, 2018, 01:37:56 PM »
For anyone who was interested to see how this turned out, the beer has mellowed out HEAPS now (4 days after kegging/dry hopping for the 2nd time). It is becoming quite a nice drop. I think we can almost certainly say that it was as I first suspected, that I was pretty much just drinking a mouthful of raw hops initially :-) Everything is much more pleasant now - nice orange aroma and taste with none of the dirt I was tasting before. I don't think MB is capable of delivering the massive hop aroma that I was wanting, though. I'll try it in a lighter beer next time, but probably not in an IPA again.

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Re: Mandarina Bavaria disgusting?!
« Reply #12 on: January 02, 2018, 01:43:05 PM »
It doesn’t have the oil content of hops like Citra, but I have enjoyed the aroma of beers that I have made with it.
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Re: Mandarina Bavaria disgusting?!
« Reply #13 on: January 02, 2018, 01:45:37 PM »
Yeah it is a beautiful hop - I guess I was just expecting the wrong thing from it. As you say, doesn't have the oil content of other hops typically used in IPA's.

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Re: Mandarina Bavaria disgusting?!
« Reply #14 on: January 02, 2018, 03:18:54 PM »
It doesn’t have the oil content of hops like Citra, but I have enjoyed the aroma of beers that I have made with it.


Same here. Definitely not as in your face (not surprising being a Hallertau offshoot), but it's a nice hop.
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