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Offline blatz

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ESB: 1450 1028 or 1056
« on: January 18, 2018, 03:20:18 pm »
yes, I know, not traditional, not going for traditional.

all this recent talk of imperial stouts has me wanting to make one again this spring for next holiday season.  my yeast choices are:

Denny's 50 1450
London Ale 1028
Chico 1056

I plan to make an ESB to grow enough yeast for the stout.  has anyone made an ESB with any of these yeasts and would you do it again.  surprisingly the London ale yeast isn't really recommended for ESB on wyeast's website. 
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Re: ESB: 1450 1028 or 1056
« Reply #1 on: January 18, 2018, 03:50:03 pm »
Quote from: blatz on January 18, 2018, 03:20:18 pm
yes, I know, not traditional, not going for traditional.

all this recent talk of imperial stouts has me wanting to make one again this spring for next holiday season.  my yeast choices are:

Denny's 50 1450
London Ale 1028
Chico 1056

I plan to make an ESB to grow enough yeast for the stout.  has anyone made an ESB with any of these yeasts and would you do it again.  surprisingly the London ale yeast isn't really recommended for ESB on wyeast's website.
That's because "London Ale" is actually the old Worthington White Shield yeast from Burton.  Wyeast always has seemed to try to throw you off the scent of their sources.  But it makes a good strong dark beer.  It's the house yeast at Great Lakes and I like their porters and stouts.
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Re: ESB: 1450 1028 or 1056
« Reply #2 on: January 18, 2018, 03:57:49 pm »
Mines going to be 1450 today, though I dumped a cake of 1028 last night. Time will tell if I made the right decision. I think I did
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Re: ESB: 1450 1028 or 1056
« Reply #3 on: January 18, 2018, 04:05:15 pm »
Quote from: klickitat jim on January 18, 2018, 03:57:49 pm
Mines going to be 1450 today, though I dumped a cake of 1028 last night. Time will tell if I made the right decision. I think I did
Well you were thinking NCOR all along right? You had to go 1450!  And I bet you'll want to try more iterations of this...by the way, you're rolling along faster than I imagined!
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Re: ESB: 1450 1028 or 1056
« Reply #4 on: January 18, 2018, 04:21:38 pm »
Actually, I brew a big stout every year for a coworker who takes it to elk camp with other coworkers. The NC Old Rasputin just got me thinking. I'm not trying to remotely clone it, its too hoppy for my tastes. But I like the fermentation character. I'm shooting for more of a huge Tropical Stout if that makes sense, where OR seems more like an Imperial American Stout to me.
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Re: ESB: 1450 1028 or 1056
« Reply #5 on: January 18, 2018, 04:34:14 pm »
^^^^
Elk camp.  Imperial stout, shotguns...what could possibly go wrong?
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Re: ESB: 1450 1028 or 1056
« Reply #6 on: January 18, 2018, 05:04:17 pm »
It's archery, and they are too old to get drunk.
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Re: ESB: 1450 1028 or 1056
« Reply #7 on: January 18, 2018, 05:06:24 pm »
Quote from: Robert  on January 18, 2018, 04:34:14 pm
^^^^
Elk camp.  Imperial stout, shotguns...what could possibly go wrong?

I second that!
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Re: ESB: 1450 1028 or 1056
« Reply #8 on: January 18, 2018, 05:08:43 pm »
Quote from: klickitat jim on January 18, 2018, 05:04:17 pm
It's archery, and they are too old to get drunk.
I did not mean to impugn the gentlemen's reputations!  Just struck me funny. 
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Re: ESB: 1450 1028 or 1056
« Reply #9 on: January 18, 2018, 05:11:06 pm »
Screw em, they're not here. Lol
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Re: ESB: 1450 1028 or 1056
« Reply #10 on: January 19, 2018, 03:34:49 pm »
Quote from: Robert  on January 18, 2018, 04:34:14 pm
^^^^
Elk camp.  Imperial stout, shotguns...what could possibly go wrong?

Quite a few years ago I lived in a small town in Nevada. One of the first businesses that you saw as you entered town was a combination liquor store/gun shop.
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Re: ESB: 1450 1028 or 1056
« Reply #11 on: January 19, 2018, 03:37:24 pm »
Quote from: Steve Ruch on January 19, 2018, 03:34:49 pm
Quote from: Robert  on January 18, 2018, 04:34:14 pm
^^^^
Elk camp.  Imperial stout, shotguns...what could possibly go wrong?

Quite a few years ago I lived in a small town in Nevada. One of the first businesses that you saw as you entered town was a combination liquor store/gun shop.
Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms.  The government thinks they go well together....
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Re: ESB: 1450 1028 or 1056
« Reply #12 on: January 20, 2018, 08:11:08 am »
1028 works just fine for an esb. It will be rather clean compared to other U.K. varieties, but you won't be disappointed with the results. I've always thought it was the brightest of the bunch.


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Re: ESB: 1450 1028 or 1056
« Reply #13 on: January 21, 2018, 12:41:11 pm »
Quote from: vista on January 20, 2018, 08:11:08 am
1028 works just fine for an esb. It will be rather clean compared to other U.K. varieties, but you won't be disappointed with the results. I've always thought it was the brightest of the bunch.

1028 would be a very good choice.  Lately, I've been using 1272 a lot, (which is actually Bry97, the original Newark Ballantine Ale strain) and really like it.  I've had tremendous luck with it through many generations (more than 12+).
 It flocs like a champ, and is relatively clean, with just enough character. It, along with my "house strain" which I've used regularly since the mid 1980s, are my two favorites. 
Highly recommended!
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Re: ESB: 1450 1028 or 1056
« Reply #14 on: January 22, 2018, 10:35:29 am »
Definitely 1450. I've used it on some British inspired bet brewed with American ingredient type beers to great effect.

I'm not buying 1056 anymore. Chico sucks. (Hyperbole aside, it's too clean for most of what I brew.)
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