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Does anyone use late boil additions in IPAs anymore?
« on: March 04, 2018, 02:07:39 AM »
 My typical hop schedule for my house IPA is:
 60 minute boil addition
 15 minute boil addition
  7minute boil addition
 Then a large whirlpool addition at 175 for 30 minutes.
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I’m very happy with his beer but I know in the last several years people of gotten completely away from any late boil additions. I’m thinking about taking all of my 15 and 7 minute additions and just throwing it in the whirlpool.   I wonder however this will take some complexity out of the beer?  I realize I won’t know it’s right for me until I give it a try, but I was wondering if anyone has any opinions?
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Re: Does anyone use late boil additions in IPAs anymore?
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2018, 03:03:56 AM »
My 2 cents. Complex procedure or recipe doesn't always equate to complex beer in the glass. My IPA is one bittering charge early, two or at most 3 hops in an actual whirlpool at 170F, and everything else is dry hop post fermentation.

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Re: Does anyone use late boil additions in IPAs anymore?
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2018, 03:19:57 AM »
I still like a strong hop at 20 for most pale ales and IPAs. Generally an ounce for every 5.5 gallons of finished beer. Columbus or Chinook are generally my top choices.

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Re: Does anyone use late boil additions in IPAs anymore?
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2018, 12:53:00 PM »
I went back to a 10 minute charge in my IPA and I think it tastes way better.

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Re: Does anyone use late boil additions in IPAs anymore?
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2018, 01:35:43 PM »
I like boil additions, but I only use them at 60, 10, or 2, depending if I want bitterness, flavor, or flavor + aroma.  Any hop addition in between like 60 and 10 is a waste for a brewer who couldn't make up their mind what they wanted IMO.  Keep it simple.

That said, I probably will be using extended flameouts for all my IPAs in future.  APAs, maybe not.  But IPA, yes.
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Does anyone use late boil additions in IPAs anymore?
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2018, 02:26:32 PM »
I’m a 60min, flameout, and whirlpool guy. An IPA absent of bitterness just doesn’t float the boat for me.


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Re: Does anyone use late boil additions in IPAs anymore?
« Reply #6 on: March 04, 2018, 02:58:20 PM »
I should say, yes absolutely use a 60 min addition

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Re: Does anyone use late boil additions in IPAs anymore?
« Reply #7 on: March 04, 2018, 04:27:20 PM »
For me, no.  I have a single 60 minute addition for AA and a 170* hopstand for oils.  Followed of course by a healthy dry hopping.

Given that different hop oils boil at different temperatures, my guess is that all that is happening in boil additions is boiling off different hop oils at different rates.  Some may linger longer than others.   I imagine that anything more than a few minutes in an actually boiling wort would result in a reduction of more than half of the oils in whatever hop one uses.
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Re: Does anyone use late boil additions in IPAs anymore?
« Reply #8 on: March 04, 2018, 05:11:47 PM »
I do FWH, 60, 2-5 min., anf dry hop on all IPAs.  Sometimes I add in a whirlpool addition.
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Re: Does anyone use late boil additions in IPAs anymore?
« Reply #9 on: March 04, 2018, 07:35:37 PM »
My most common hop schedule:

FWH (not every time)
60 mins
10 mins (usually 1oz of cascade per 5-6 gal)
Whirlpool (30 mins at ~170F - 1-3 varieties)
Dry (now usually 3 oz per 5-6 gallons - 1-3 varieties)

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Re: Does anyone use late boil additions in IPAs anymore?
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2018, 12:54:55 PM »
I do 60/10/Dry Hop.  1oz at 60 of a bittering hop (Magnum/Warrior).  1oz at 10 of aroma hops and then 2oz dry hop. (4 oz hops in 3 gallons)

Personally, I wouldn't remove the 15 and 7, but maybe combine them.  Take whatever the amounts for both and put it all in at 15, or hit the middle at 10.  The AA% difference will probably be negligible.

Also, if you're happy with the beer why change it? Even if it's not the "normal" procedure, it works well for you.
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Re: Does anyone use late boil additions in IPAs anymore?
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2018, 02:48:29 PM »
I think the question that needs to be asked is: Why?

Why do you do boil additions that are for flavor not Alpha?  Is anything to be gained flavor wise from a 30, 15, 10, 5, or even flameout additions, that a 170* hopstand wouldn't do better?  Is there a difference in either amount of flavor or type of flavor that occurs in boil additions?

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Re: Does anyone use late boil additions in IPAs anymore?
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2018, 03:23:33 PM »
I think the question that needs to be asked is: Why?

Why do you do boil additions that are for flavor not Alpha?  Is anything to be gained flavor wise from a 30, 15, 10, 5, or even flameout additions, that a 170* hopstand wouldn't do better?  Is there a difference in either amount of flavor or type of flavor that occurs in boil additions?

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Re: Does anyone use late boil additions in IPAs anymore?
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2018, 04:44:13 PM »
 Yep Steve, that’s really my question. My 15 and 7 minute additions are left over from the old way of thinking but haven’t changed it,  just added Whirlpooling as my bank account allowed me to buy a pump at Whirlpool arm.  I guess the question is do you get more complex flavors from some boil editions than just a big hopstand and dry hop alone.  I don’t brew enough to do actual taste comparison experiments, has anyone tried this?
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Re: Does anyone use late boil additions in IPAs anymore?
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2018, 06:13:02 PM »
I think the question that needs to be asked is: Why?

Why do you do boil additions that are for flavor not Alpha?  Is anything to be gained flavor wise from a 30, 15, 10, 5, or even flameout additions, that a 170* hopstand wouldn't do better?  Is there a difference in either amount of flavor or type of flavor that occurs in boil additions?

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I think you went off course when you said "better".  The kettle additions are different.  Whether or no they're "better" depends on your tastes and goals.
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