[denny]

If you want to avoid the "vegetation" from hops, try cryo hops.  All lupulin, no vegetation.

I need to try dry-hopping with Cryo hops. I still got quite a bit of harsh tannin when I used them in the whirlpool (granted, it was in very large amounts - nearly 2 oz/gallon of Cryo hops).

That wod be roughly equivalent to 4 oz./gal. of pellets.

[erockrph]

I've found that whirlpool hops leave a smoother bitterness, regardless of the total ibu level. Try skipping all your boil additions and just have a large whirlpool addition held hot for ~60 minutes.

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My next brew day is IPAs. I just might try that. Normally I do 30g if chinook at 60, then all the fun in whirlpool, but I might just throw it all in at 160 for 30. What the heck!?! Right?

Nothing you've suggested has not worked out. Still marveling at the 160F/148F double mash trick.

At 160F, you might not get enough bitterness for an IPA when doing the no-boil addition thing. I usually kill the heat and wait just until the boil activity has subsided. I'm brewing 2.5 gallon batches, so I end up around 180F after a 60-minute hop stand/whirlpool. that's my butter zone where I get enough bitterness to stand up to the hops, but still minimize harshness.

[erockrph]

If you want to avoid the "vegetation" from hops, try cryo hops.  All lupulin, no vegetation.

I need to try dry-hopping with Cryo hops. I still got quite a bit of harsh tannin when I used them in the whirlpool (granted, it was in very large amounts - nearly 2 oz/gallon of Cryo hops).

That wod be roughly equivalent to 4 oz./gal. of pellets.

Yep. And that's generally what my IPA's are hopped to.

[denny]

If you want to avoid the "vegetation" from hops, try cryo hops.  All lupulin, no vegetation.

I need to try dry-hopping with Cryo hops. I still got quite a bit of harsh tannin when I used them in the whirlpool (granted, it was in very large amounts - nearly 2 oz/gallon of Cryo hops).

That wod be roughly equivalent to 4 oz./gal. of pellets.

Yep. And that's generally what my IPA's are hopped to.

Whoa....that's 8 times what I use.

[toby]

For IPAs, I've gone to 3 hop additions. 1) FWH for bittering charge, 2) whirlpool/flameout, and 3) keg hop. For my tastes, that's the sweet spot. I'm also fairly obsessed with my water chemistry.