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Offline Joe Sr.

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Re: What Do You Wish You Knew Before Starting
« Reply #45 on: April 20, 2018, 07:55:12 pm »
I have no regrets and wouldn't change anything.  I've enjoyed the journey.

I suppose there's some equipment I have lying around that I don't need, but I thought I needed it when I got it and I'm sure I used it...

I suppose I wish that the variety and quality of ingredients available today was available in the 90s.
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Re: What Do You Wish You Knew Before Starting
« Reply #46 on: April 22, 2018, 03:36:50 pm »
Take good notes! Though I brew small batches, I have become obsessed with learning the different variables that impact the quality of the beer you make. Absorb what you read, but confirm with your own results. Take good notes so you can look back and see what adjustments you have made as your brewing technique improves.
I agree.

I wish I'd documented everything for each batch from beginning to end as I do now.  It makes it easier understanding the impact of any changes made to the process and/or to the beer.

When I first started brewing I didn't know there was a bottling cane.  Beginning with a good startup package of equipment helps a lot($250).  Bottling really sucked for me back in the day, then I spent the $3.  The guy at the store must've thought I was nuts because of my reaction when I saw the bottling cane.  I don't remember crying.

Oh, some people have said, "A watched pot never boils."  Watch that brew pot like a hawk because it will royally ruin a fun brew day.

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Re: What Do You Wish You Knew Before Starting
« Reply #47 on: April 24, 2018, 07:30:18 pm »
Another thread reminded me of this key thing:

Never be afraid or ashamed to dump beer.  Nothing compels you to drink anything you don't want to.  Chalk it up to experience, learn what you can, cut your losses, and move on.
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Re: What Do You Wish You Knew Before Starting
« Reply #48 on: April 25, 2018, 06:47:59 am »
If yeast starters are too advanced or scary, just use US-56 (what 05 was called st the time) and call it a day.

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Re: What Do You Wish You Knew Before Starting
« Reply #49 on: April 25, 2018, 07:34:16 am »
Generally I wouldn't have changed anything because lessons learned along the way are incredibly useful. There are a handful of pieces of equipment I could have done without.

Biggest thing I would have changed is taking most of the posted information online with less credibility. Too many people with high post counts or aggressive posting styles in forums saying very little of value.
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Re: What Do You Wish You Knew Before Starting
« Reply #50 on: April 25, 2018, 02:40:03 pm »
Don’t offer advice unless I’ve actually tried or done it before.


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Re: What Do You Wish You Knew Before Starting
« Reply #51 on: April 25, 2018, 03:11:53 pm »
I wonder if the OP has gotten their question answered?
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Re: What Do You Wish You Knew Before Starting
« Reply #52 on: April 27, 2018, 02:40:00 pm »
Don’t offer advice unless I’ve actually tried or done it before.


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Biggest thing I would have changed is taking most of the posted information online with less credibility. Too many people with high post counts or aggressive posting styles in forums saying very little of value.

I resemble that remark.....actually, I generally find that the old guard here is pretty reliable and typically has experience with respect to which they speak.  I try to limit myself to situations I have encountered personally or which have been confirmed to be credible through many posters' repetition of experiences.
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Re: What Do You Wish You Knew Before Starting
« Reply #53 on: May 04, 2018, 02:01:50 pm »
Buy once Cry once. Don’t buy cheap crap in a starter kit. You’re gonna replace it later anyway just buy the good stuff up front. Like Brew Kettles, CO2 regulators, fermenters, and on and on. Just go ahead and get the good stuff. If you find out you don’t like to brew you can sell it. Nobody wants crappy starter kit stuff so you won’t get any money from the cheap stuff anyway. At least you can recoup some of your outlay.


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Re: What Do You Wish You Knew Before Starting
« Reply #54 on: May 04, 2018, 04:35:27 pm »
Biggest thing I would have changed is taking most of the posted information online with less credibility. Too many people with high post counts or aggressive posting styles in forums saying very little of value.

OUCH!!!

What I've found is that there is a lot of good advice, but you need to sort through it.  If it contradicts your experience, rely on what you know.  Lurk and read and you'll figure out who is full of hot air and who knows whats up.
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Re: What Do You Wish You Knew Before Starting
« Reply #55 on: May 04, 2018, 04:39:47 pm »
Buy once Cry once. Don’t buy cheap crap in a starter kit. You’re gonna replace it later anyway just buy the good stuff up front. Like Brew Kettles, CO2 regulators, fermenters, and on and on. Just go ahead and get the good stuff. If you find out you don’t like to brew you can sell it. Nobody wants crappy starter kit stuff so you won’t get any money from the cheap stuff anyway. At least you can recoup some of your outlay.

That's true for more than just brewing. I'm still kicking myself for some "budget" purchases I made years ago when I instead should have saved for the real deal.
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Re: What Do You Wish You Knew Before Starting
« Reply #56 on: May 05, 2018, 06:55:14 am »
Biggest thing I would have changed is taking most of the posted information online with less credibility. Too many people with high post counts or aggressive posting styles in forums saying very little of value.

OUCH!!!

What I've found is that there is a lot of good advice, but you need to sort through it.  If it contradicts your experience, rely on what you know.  Lurk and read and you'll figure out who is full of hot air and who knows whats up.

I fully agree with Joe; the value of advice varies greatly. Part of that may well be due to the knowledge level of the "adviser" - some folks actually know a lot less than they are willing to share. But there's also the fact that people with knowledge, experience and good intentions may not share your goals and preferences.

We have a wide range of contributors here; everybody from commercial brewers who brew daily to guys who brew once or twice a year. We have gear-heads and minimalists. We have folks who are fiercely competitive brewers and others who have never and will never enter a competition. Brewers who love to get wrapped up in process details and others who love to wing it. Newbies and Denny's (actually, there's only one Denny, but lots of wannabes). There are few absolutes that are totally valid for all these wide ranges of preferences and experiences.

For example, I brew in my kitchen, using an old cooler for a mash tun, two stock pots for boil kettles/HLTs, an immersion coil chiller and plastic fermenters that I've used for years. I have never entered a competition, and don't intend to. I brew maybe 6 or 8 times a year. I keg, and store and serve from and old kegerator. I brew to my preferences and for the enjoyment of my friends. I enjoy the entire process from recipe development though the brew day, fermentation monitoring, carbing and (probably most) consuming.

So, I use the BJCP guidelines as just that - guidelines that I'll violate at my whim, since nobody will be formally rating my beer. I brew what I like to consume (just ales, never lagers). I'll won't let my process get any finickier than I enjoy; so I'll happily ignore LODO concerns, not because I don't think they're valid, but because it would decrease my enjoyment of my brew day beyond any expected improvements in my beer. I don't keep detailed notes (outside of annotating BeerSmith "Brew Steps" sheets) because I know I won't use them for anything. I control fermentation temps using a variation of a swamp cooler - imprecise but plenty close enough for me.

These are the brewing factors that give me great enjoyment and beers that I am proud of. Could I make marginally better beer? Sure, but it wouldn't be worth it TO ME. I won't criticize anyone whose brewing factors differ from mine - they have different objectives and preferences. And, while I am unapologetic for my way, I'm always interested in what other brewers have to say; I may not use it, but I'll listen politely.

So, my advice: listen attentively, evaluate critically, and go your own way.

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Re: What Do You Wish You Knew Before Starting
« Reply #57 on: May 07, 2018, 07:48:52 pm »
1. Patience. Patience. Patience.
    A good beer takes a good length of time.

2. A watched kettle never boils, but an unwatched kettle always boils over.

3. If you're unsure about doing something, ask your friends here on the boards.

4. If you don't worry about your beer, you don't care.

5. Don't sweat the small things, clean and sanitize them first.

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Re: What Do You Wish You Knew Before Starting
« Reply #58 on: May 08, 2018, 10:23:32 am »
I wish I had realized that there is more than one way to make great beer and enjoy the hobby. I wasted too much time arguing about things instead of just brewing and finding my own way.
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Re: What Do You Wish You Knew Before Starting
« Reply #59 on: May 08, 2018, 01:55:29 pm »
Taken from an old blog post I wrote:

As I’ve progressed as a homebrewer, I’ve spent a lot of time trying new techniques and tweaking my process. Here are the five changes I’ve made which have had the greatest impact on the quality of the beer I brew.

1. Controlling fermentation temperatures
This is the single most important thing I can recommend to new homebrewers, since it is often overlooked in the beginning and will make an enormous difference in every beer you brew. The first beer I made was fermented in an 80°F ambient room with a brewbelt on the fermentor. It was an awesome beer because I made it, but I don’t think I’d much enjoy a bottle of that today. Fermenting hot can cause all kinds of off flavors and nasty fusel alcohols in the finished product. Fermentation temperatures, with few exceptions, are best kept in the low to mid 60s for ales and even cooler for lagers. A cheap mini-fridge (I got mine on craigslist for $100) and a temperature controller turned my beers from OK to delicious.

2. Pitching the correct amount of yeast
This is another technique that can help all of your beers – extract, partial mash, or all grain. Controlling fermentation is paramount to brewing, and pitching the proper amount of healthy yeast is a big part of that. For every beer you brew, you should be going to Jamil Zainasheff’s Pitching Rate Calculator and figuring out the correct amount of starter, dry yeast, or slurry you should be pitching. If you are using liquid yeast, do yourself a favor and learn how to make a yeast starter. Your beer will return the love.

3. Switching to full boils
When I started out, I was constrained to doing partial boils of extract recipes. The size of my brewpot, stove, and apartment dictated the maximum amount of wort I could safely boil at one time. This is a great way to get started in the hobby – you can start off on your household stove, you don’t need a huge kettle, and the boil and cooling phases of the brew are quicker and easier. However, I definitely saw a big difference in quality when I was able to move to full boils. Not only did it prepare me for the leap to all grain, but it produced a better beer – it is almost impossible to produce a light-colored beer with a partial boil due to the concentration of the wort, and full boils allow for proper hop utilization. Even if you never switch to all grain, make the switch to full boils if your circumstances allow.

4a. Switching to all grain
Ahh, the Holy Grail of brewing. Many homebrewers will never attempt all grain – for some it is more trouble than it’s worth, while others may not have the space, time, or money to make the switch. That’s fine – you can make excellent beers using extract, and the many varieties of extract available today gives you a lot of flexibility to brew different styles. However, if you want total, complete control of the brewing process from start to finish, all grain is a must. It’s really not that difficult once you get the hang of it, and, personally, I feel more invested in a beer that I created out of actual grain. My all grain beers taste much better than my first extract brews, but I wouldn’t blame the extract. Rather, switching to all grain forced me to really learn about beer and become a better brewer. All grain may not be for everyone, but I highly recommend it!

4b. Switching to mini-mashes
Even if you never make the switch from extract brewing, learn to do a mini-mash so you can take advantage of the many specialty grains available to you. My first all-extract beers were lacking in depth and flavor. As soon as I started making some mini-mash kits out there, I saw what a difference specialty grain made in the taste of my beer. Mini-mashes are easy and you get a lot of bang for your buck – just be warned, it’s a slippery slope down to all grain!

5. Kegging my beer
Kegging didn’t directly improve my beer, but it has been one of the biggest improvements to my brewery. Aside from the benefit of having cold, tasty homebrew on tap at a moment’s notice, kegging eliminates my least-favorite part of brewing: bottling. I’ve cut my bottling day time down to thirty minutes, and eliminating this tedious chore has led to increased brewery output and brewer happiness. Also, corny kegs make great vessels for lagering or conditioning, and being able to transfer beer under CO2 pressure helps reduce oxygenation concerns during racking.
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