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Oxi-Clean for scrubbing versus PBW
« on: April 08, 2018, 09:16:32 PM »
Just throwing this out there, I have read that people replace PBW with oxi clean for scrubbing and general cleaning of the kegs, what methods do you all use and will oxi clean damage  aluminium?   

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Re: Oxi-Clean for scrubbing versus PBW
« Reply #1 on: April 08, 2018, 09:40:56 PM »
Just throwing this out there, I have read that people replace PBW with oxi clean for scrubbing and general cleaning of the kegs, what methods do you all use and will oxi clean damage  aluminium?

I don't know of any oxygen based cleaner that is safe for aluminum....not oxiclean, not PBW, not Craftmeister.  SS and plastic are fine with all of them.  I used oxiclean for years and found it worked well.  PBW worked better for me.  Craftmeister oxygen brewery wash works better than either of those.
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Re: Oxi-Clean for scrubbing versus PBW
« Reply #2 on: April 08, 2018, 10:33:47 PM »
OxiClean is mostly sodium carbonate (washing soda) and 30% sodium percarbonate (which releases oxygen to brighten your laundry as a non-chlorine bleach) and less than 1% sodium metasiliscate.   PBW and other alkaline cleaners made specifically for brewing contain 30% or more metasiliscate,  making them far more effective at removing organic material.  But more important, the brewery products, unlike the laundry products,  contain chelating agents, without which you will eventually get a buildup of very hard and hard to remove mineral deposits.  So eventually you will need lots of effort and acid cleaners.  If cost is the issue, do what I prefer:  use PBW,  just use less of it, nice and hot, and let it soak longer.  (Cleaning effectiveness is dependent on a triangle of concentration, temperature and time.) The only time I use PBW at full strength is for cleaning draught lines, where it, unlike OxiClean,  is a fine substitute for BLC and the like.

For my aluminum kettles, I follow the manufacturer's recommendation and just use dish liquid and elbow grease.
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Re: Oxi-Clean for scrubbing versus PBW
« Reply #3 on: April 09, 2018, 01:27:39 AM »
Bar Keepers Friend Cookware Cleanser & Polish does a great job cleaning up all kinds of cookware including aluminum.


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Re: Oxi-Clean for scrubbing versus PBW
« Reply #4 on: April 09, 2018, 02:20:30 AM »
Bar Keepers Friend Cookware Cleanser & Polish does a great job cleaning up all kinds of cookware including aluminum.


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Re: Oxi-Clean for scrubbing versus PBW
« Reply #5 on: April 09, 2018, 12:51:24 PM »
I believe the cookware cleaner has a slightly different formula than the original.


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Re: Oxi-Clean for scrubbing versus PBW
« Reply #6 on: April 09, 2018, 02:42:43 PM »
OxiClean is mostly sodium carbonate (washing soda) and 30% sodium percarbonate (which releases oxygen to brighten your laundry as a non-chlorine bleach) and less than 1% sodium metasiliscate.   PBW and other alkaline cleaners made specifically for brewing contain 30% or more metasiliscate,  making them far more effective at removing organic material.  But more important, the brewery products, unlike the laundry products,  contain chelating agents, without which you will eventually get a buildup of very hard and hard to remove mineral deposits.  So eventually you will need lots of effort and acid cleaners.  If cost is the issue, do what I prefer:  use PBW,  just use less of it, nice and hot, and let it soak longer.  (Cleaning effectiveness is dependent on a triangle of concentration, temperature and time.) The only time I use PBW at full strength is for cleaning draught lines, where it, unlike OxiClean,  is a fine substitute for BLC and the like.

For my aluminum kettles, I follow the manufacturer's recommendation and just use dish liquid and elbow grease.

Although PBW is marketed to the brewing industry, my understanding is that the cleaner in it comes from the laundry industry.  Thta's why it's harder to dissolve and rinse than some other brewery specific cleaners.
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Re: Oxi-Clean for scrubbing versus PBW
« Reply #7 on: April 12, 2018, 04:12:13 PM »

Although PBW is marketed to the brewing industry, my understanding is that the cleaner in it comes from the laundry industry.  Thta's why it's harder to dissolve and rinse than some other brewery specific cleaners.

Strangely, I tried the Craftmeister Alkaline Brewery Wash and had the opposite experience of most people.   For me, PBW dissolves and rinses much easier.  Maybe it depends on your water, but the chelators in the products should make that a wash (sorry.)  :) Wonder if anyone else has this experience.  Anyway I have to get Craftmeister online, so with PBW there's at least something I still buy from LHBS.
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Re: Oxi-Clean for scrubbing versus PBW
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2018, 03:22:25 AM »

Although PBW is marketed to the brewing industry, my understanding is that the cleaner in it comes from the laundry industry.  Thta's why it's harder to dissolve and rinse than some other brewery specific cleaners.

Strangely, I tried the Craftmeister Alkaline Brewery Wash and had the opposite experience of most people.   For me, PBW dissolves and rinses much easier.  Maybe it depends on your water, but the chelators in the products should make that a wash (sorry.)  :) Wonder if anyone else has this experience.  Anyway I have to get Craftmeister online, so with PBW there's at least something I still buy from LHBS.
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Re: Oxi-Clean for scrubbing versus PBW
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2018, 11:24:42 AM »
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Re: Oxi-Clean for scrubbing versus PBW
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2018, 11:52:23 AM »
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OxiClean is mostly sodium carbonate (washing soda) and 30% sodium percarbonate (which releases oxygen to brighten your laundry as a non-chlorine bleach) and less than 1% sodium metasiliscate.   PBW and other alkaline cleaners made specifically for brewing contain 30% or more metasiliscate,  making them far more effective at removing organic material.  But more important, the brewery products, unlike the laundry products,  contain chelating agents, without which you will eventually get a buildup of very hard and hard to remove mineral deposits.  So eventually you will need lots of effort and acid cleaners.  If cost is the issue, do what I prefer:  use PBW,  just use less of it, nice and hot, and let it soak longer.  (Cleaning effectiveness is dependent on a triangle of concentration, temperature and time.) The only time I use PBW at full strength is for cleaning draught lines, where it, unlike OxiClean,  is a fine substitute for BLC and the like.

For my aluminum kettles, I follow the manufacturer's recommendation and just use dish liquid and elbow grease.

Like this. Some useful information. Although, I like healthy ceramic cookware for its some advantages.
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Re: Oxi-Clean for scrubbing versus PBW
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2018, 12:18:07 PM »
The Grainfather burns wort right over it’s element. After my last brew, I tried Craftmeister Alkaline Brewery Wash cold. With elbow grease I got 25% of the bracket area clean. After heating to 140F and running the pump to clean up other things I dumped the brewery wash. The blackened area was still there but visually bloated and loosened. It took one simple wipe to clean that area. My Grainfather looked brand new after.