[yugamrap]

That’s why you freeze them immediately if you can’t process immediately. Loss to mold or rot is virtually eliminated.

Here’s a bit of info on the process.
https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabis-101/what-is-live-resin-cannabis-concentrate

I'm guessing you don't know a lot about commercial hop production.  Freezing them until use is completely impractical.

I’m guessing you’re not good at guessing.

You would only freeze what you plan on turning into the extract.

I'm guessing you've been doing a good job of celebrating 4/20. 

Denny is right about the impracticality of freezing hops at the commercial scale.  The industry isn't set up for that - at least not at this point in time.  Hops are a crop with a very brief harvest season, and many of the farms share harvesting and processing equipment through cooperatives.  It's not like we're talking about a few chest freezers here.  Large commercial-scale flash freezers would probably be needed.  There probably isn't a reasonable return on investment for that - at least not yet.   

Once again you only freeze what becomes concentrates. You could start with a couple hundred pounds capacity for a small trial basis, before you scale up if it works well.

It’s being done all day every day right now with a genetic relative of the hop plant. They make industrial flash freezers... people said the same thing about supercritical CO2 extractors before the entire industry adopted them. The economics are there, if the product is superior! A third party could even contract wet hops at a discount and do the extraction as their value added piece. Get contracts from all the regions and do it all year round. Markets evolve, guys.

If brewers can get flavor and aroma (assuming it’s the desirable) out of an extract along with bitterness and all of the benefits of the current concentrates, then they won’t be able to keep it in stock. 

Glad they timestamp these posts.

Oh, and I have a medical condition, bro... it’s not a celebration, but thanks anyway.

I'm not poo-pooing the idea - it's kinda intriguing.  I just think it's not practical on a large scale - yet.  It'll definitely happen if the larger commercial brewers find an application for it like they did hop extracts for bittering.  Is this one of the processes used for making medical marijuana products that address symptoms without the high?  I saw some news about products like that in trials for kids who could benefit.

I hope you're getting the relief you need.  Legal medical application has been long overdue.
 

[hackrsackr]

That’s why you freeze them immediately if you can’t process immediately. Loss to mold or rot is virtually eliminated.

Here’s a bit of info on the process.
https://www.leafly.com/news/cannabis-101/what-is-live-resin-cannabis-concentrate

I'm guessing you don't know a lot about commercial hop production.  Freezing them until use is completely impractical.

I’m guessing you’re not good at guessing.

You would only freeze what you plan on turning into the extract.

I'm guessing you've been doing a good job of celebrating 4/20. 

Denny is right about the impracticality of freezing hops at the commercial scale.  The industry isn't set up for that - at least not at this point in time.  Hops are a crop with a very brief harvest season, and many of the farms share harvesting and processing equipment through cooperatives.  It's not like we're talking about a few chest freezers here.  Large commercial-scale flash freezers would probably be needed.  There probably isn't a reasonable return on investment for that - at least not yet.   

Once again you only freeze what becomes concentrates. You could start with a couple hundred pounds capacity for a small trial basis, before you scale up if it works well.

It’s being done all day every day right now with a genetic relative of the hop plant. They make industrial flash freezers... people said the same thing about supercritical CO2 extractors before the entire industry adopted them. The economics are there, if the product is superior! A third party could even contract wet hops at a discount and do the extraction as their value added piece. Get contracts from all the regions and do it all year round. Markets evolve, guys.

If brewers can get flavor and aroma (assuming it’s the desirable) out of an extract along with bitterness and all of the benefits of the current concentrates, then they won’t be able to keep it in stock. 

Glad they timestamp these posts.

Oh, and I have a medical condition, bro... it’s not a celebration, but thanks anyway.

I'm not poo-pooing the idea - it's kinda intriguing.  I just think it's not practical on a large scale - yet.  It'll definitely happen if the larger commercial brewers find an application for it like they did hop extracts for bittering.  Is this one of the processes used for making medical marijuana products that address symptoms without the high?  I saw some news about products like that in trials for kids who could benefit.

I hope you're getting the relief you need.  Legal medical application has been long overdue.

Yeah I agree that a large scale operation would take some investment, but the equipment and techniques already exist, which is 90% of product development.

If it increases the quality of hop extract even 50% of the improvement of that live wax cannabis resin has over standard wax resin, it’ll be an awesome product. I was just curious if anyone knew if extractors are trying it out. It may yield a crappy product, and that’s why it isn’t done, I don’t know. That’s why I was asking if anyone has heard anything.

I guess I’ll have to get some butane and try it out on my cascades this year at harvest.

[klickitat jim]

Cue the butane purity debate. Foodgrade vs Welding... go!

[hackrsackr]

We’re witnessing greatness folks!

[BrewBama]

I was wondering if anyone knows if any hop extract producers are looking at producing any “live” extracts. Live meaning that it extracted from fresh or fresh frozen plant material. Instead of drying the plant material you either extract it immediately or freeze it until extraction.

I'm not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for, but morebeer carries distilled hop oil.

https://www.morebeer.com/products/distilled-hop-oil-chinook-1-ml.html

"Distilled hop oil is an amazing new product we are making available to homebrewers.  Distilled hop oil varies from other oils in that it is produced from fresh hops, as opposed to dried and processed pellets.  Distilled hop oil delivers the same wet hop character that was previously only possible to acquire with the use of freshly harvested hops." (emphasis added)

This is interesting. It may solve the ‘how do I dry hop a beer after transfer to keg without exposing it to oxygen’ problem. Simply inject .5-1 ml per 5 gal thru the gas port.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

[erockrph]

I was wondering if anyone knows if any hop extract producers are looking at producing any “live” extracts. Live meaning that it extracted from fresh or fresh frozen plant material. Instead of drying the plant material you either extract it immediately or freeze it until extraction.

I'm not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for, but morebeer carries distilled hop oil.

https://www.morebeer.com/products/distilled-hop-oil-chinook-1-ml.html

"Distilled hop oil is an amazing new product we are making available to homebrewers.  Distilled hop oil varies from other oils in that it is produced from fresh hops, as opposed to dried and processed pellets.  Distilled hop oil delivers the same wet hop character that was previously only possible to acquire with the use of freshly harvested hops." (emphasis added)

This is interesting. It may solve the ‘how do I dry hop a beer after transfer to keg without exposing it to oxygen’ problem. Simply inject .5-1 ml per 5 gal thru the gas port.

I need to get around to assembling this. I have a luer-lok to 3/8" barb adapter that I picked up for just this application, but I just haven't gotten around to trying it out yet.

IMO, this may be something more suited to a small hop producer being able to try out as a niche product rather than something a big producer like YCH would want to spend a disproportionate amount of time and energy on developing. If you have anly local hop producers that operate on smaller scales, reach out and put the bug in their ear.

[hackrsackr]

I was wondering if anyone knows if any hop extract producers are looking at producing any “live” extracts. Live meaning that it extracted from fresh or fresh frozen plant material. Instead of drying the plant material you either extract it immediately or freeze it until extraction.

I'm not sure if this is exactly what you are looking for, but morebeer carries distilled hop oil.

https://www.morebeer.com/products/distilled-hop-oil-chinook-1-ml.html

"Distilled hop oil is an amazing new product we are making available to homebrewers.  Distilled hop oil varies from other oils in that it is produced from fresh hops, as opposed to dried and processed pellets.  Distilled hop oil delivers the same wet hop character that was previously only possible to acquire with the use of freshly harvested hops." (emphasis added)

This is interesting. It may solve the ‘how do I dry hop a beer after transfer to keg without exposing it to oxygen’ problem. Simply inject .5-1 ml per 5 gal thru the gas port.

I need to get around to assembling this. I have a luer-lok to 3/8" barb adapter that I picked up for just this application, but I just haven't gotten around to trying it out yet.

IMO, this may be something more suited to a small hop producer being able to try out as a niche product rather than something a big producer like YCH would want to spend a disproportionate amount of time and energy on developing. If you have anly local hop producers that operate on smaller scales, reach out and put the bug in their ear.

I hear ya, and I agree either small hop producer or third party extraction specialist. It would definitely be a niche product initially until the efficacy was determined.

Unfortunately, I’m on the east coast, though. Hop product innovation and extraction technology seem to be very much West coast based by comparison. That’s why I brought the question to the forum; to see if there is anything on the horizon, either from hop farmers or from extract producers. Figured someone might have the inside dope.

They’ve been extracting terpenes from cannabis for quite a while now, Lagunitas has made a beer with them that I know of. You can buy extracted liquid terpenes (either single terpenes, or blends to match profiles of famous cannabis strains) right now that can be injected inline. I haven’t played around with them yet (still in lager mode). They can do the same thing with hops (and extract non-decarboxylated compounds that are decarboxylated in the drying and curing processes). Just hoping to see some similar innovation in the hop market. They could even create blends of terpene profiles that are not currently producible from single hop varietals.

EDIT: rant removal...