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Quote from: goschman on May 04, 2018, 02:26:09 pmI don't know if if it's temperature related or not but I cannot get the yeast character I want from the kolsch yeasts I have tried. Anyone have any recommendations on something that gives that slightly fruity with a touch a sulphur? I have been using Imperial G03 which apparently is the same as WLP029. It's a good yeast but just too clean. Maybe I need to go back to WY2565 but I remember not being too crazy about that one as well. What is your secondary fermentation’s temp?Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
I don't know if if it's temperature related or not but I cannot get the yeast character I want from the kolsch yeasts I have tried. Anyone have any recommendations on something that gives that slightly fruity with a touch a sulphur? I have been using Imperial G03 which apparently is the same as WLP029. It's a good yeast but just too clean. Maybe I need to go back to WY2565 but I remember not being too crazy about that one as well.
I've had great luck with both WLP029 and WY2565. The former takes a little more effort to clear though gelatin has done the trick. It is also a bit finicky and occasionally stalls if you don't ramp the temp. 029 seems to have more chardonnay and "white grape" character. Very crisp and clean.For the last 7 or 8 years I have only brewed with the WY2565 strain mostly because thats where I get most of my yeast from. It's maybe a little easier to clear and seems to be a stronger fermenter (I've never had it stall even if I forgot to raise temp). I get more pear and apple in addition to the chardonnay with this strain if the fermentations are handled right.For both strains I start of fermentation at 58 degree then ramp into the high 60s after 72 hours. You definitely need to play with pitching rates to get the ester profile you want.
Quote from: majorvices on May 05, 2018, 08:15:40 amI've had great luck with both WLP029 and WY2565. The former takes a little more effort to clear though gelatin has done the trick. It is also a bit finicky and occasionally stalls if you don't ramp the temp. 029 seems to have more chardonnay and "white grape" character. Very crisp and clean.For the last 7 or 8 years I have only brewed with the WY2565 strain mostly because thats where I get most of my yeast from. It's maybe a little easier to clear and seems to be a stronger fermenter (I've never had it stall even if I forgot to raise temp). I get more pear and apple in addition to the chardonnay with this strain if the fermentations are handled right.For both strains I start of fermentation at 58 degree then ramp into the high 60s after 72 hours. You definitely need to play with pitching rates to get the ester profile you want.Kieth,I’ve always thought 029 cleared better for me, and 2565 always was more wine like. Funny! Perceptions I haven’t used either since I came across Giga Yeast 021. It clears and the flavor profile is in the middle. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: goschman on May 05, 2018, 10:09:40 amBack to the drawing board I suppose. There must be something wrong with my recipe or process since I don’t get the results I want. They had a great kolsch at a local brewery that had just what I wanted. I asked the brewer which yeast he uses and he told me ‘kolsch’ yeast.What's your process and recipe?
Back to the drawing board I suppose. There must be something wrong with my recipe or process since I don’t get the results I want. They had a great kolsch at a local brewery that had just what I wanted. I asked the brewer which yeast he uses and he told me ‘kolsch’ yeast.
Yeah, 2565 is the one that takes forever to clear. WLP029 doesn't have that problem. But I'll agree that 2565 makes the more authentic Kolsch. WLP029... doesn't seem to really be a great Kolsch yeast. I've used it many times, and it's fine, but not great.
Quote from: dmtaylor on May 06, 2018, 07:52:08 amYeah, 2565 is the one that takes forever to clear. WLP029 doesn't have that problem. But I'll agree that 2565 makes the more authentic Kolsch. WLP029... doesn't seem to really be a great Kolsch yeast. I've used it many times, and it's fine, but not great.+1000 029 is almost Lager like. No flavor to add IMO. Between the 2, 2565 no doubt. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
Quote from: coolman26 on May 08, 2018, 09:11:32 pmQuote from: dmtaylor on May 06, 2018, 07:52:08 amYeah, 2565 is the one that takes forever to clear. WLP029 doesn't have that problem. But I'll agree that 2565 makes the more authentic Kolsch. WLP029... doesn't seem to really be a great Kolsch yeast. I've used it many times, and it's fine, but not great.+1000 029 is almost Lager like. No flavor to add IMO. Between the 2, 2565 no doubt. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYeah I was hoping for something other than those two. Apparently all alternatives must not be as good or are the same strain. Can anyone confirm that w177 is the same as wy2565?
Quote from: goschman on May 08, 2018, 09:20:51 pmQuote from: coolman26 on May 08, 2018, 09:11:32 pmQuote from: dmtaylor on May 06, 2018, 07:52:08 amYeah, 2565 is the one that takes forever to clear. WLP029 doesn't have that problem. But I'll agree that 2565 makes the more authentic Kolsch. WLP029... doesn't seem to really be a great Kolsch yeast. I've used it many times, and it's fine, but not great.+1000 029 is almost Lager like. No flavor to add IMO. Between the 2, 2565 no doubt. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYeah I was hoping for something other than those two. Apparently all alternatives must not be as good or are the same strain. Can anyone confirm that w177 is the same as wy2565?Have you been watching this topic?https://www.homebrewersassociation.org/forum/index.php?topic=31732.0It seems nobody can confirm any such thing.
Ok. So I guess no one knows which yeast is which anymore. Apparently there are no alternatives to WLP029 or WY2565.
Quote from: goschman on May 08, 2018, 09:20:51 pmQuote from: coolman26 on May 08, 2018, 09:11:32 pmQuote from: dmtaylor on May 06, 2018, 07:52:08 amYeah, 2565 is the one that takes forever to clear. WLP029 doesn't have that problem. But I'll agree that 2565 makes the more authentic Kolsch. WLP029... doesn't seem to really be a great Kolsch yeast. I've used it many times, and it's fine, but not great.+1000 029 is almost Lager like. No flavor to add IMO. Between the 2, 2565 no doubt. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYeah I was hoping for something other than those two. Apparently all alternatives must not be as good or are the same strain. Can anyone confirm that w177 is the same as wy2565?No verification but when I talked to them they said it was from that strain.
Quote from: majorvices on May 09, 2018, 08:09:21 amQuote from: goschman on May 08, 2018, 09:20:51 pmQuote from: coolman26 on May 08, 2018, 09:11:32 pmQuote from: dmtaylor on May 06, 2018, 07:52:08 amYeah, 2565 is the one that takes forever to clear. WLP029 doesn't have that problem. But I'll agree that 2565 makes the more authentic Kolsch. WLP029... doesn't seem to really be a great Kolsch yeast. I've used it many times, and it's fine, but not great.+1000 029 is almost Lager like. No flavor to add IMO. Between the 2, 2565 no doubt. Sent from my iPhone using TapatalkYeah I was hoping for something other than those two. Apparently all alternatives must not be as good or are the same strain. Can anyone confirm that w177 is the same as wy2565?No verification but when I talked to them they said it was from that strain.Thank you. The local brewery with the Kolsch that blew me away gave me their complete fermentation profile. I will just have to give 2565 another shot with the information they provided me. Sorry for such a repetitive post. I just thought there were more alternatives available.