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Re: Helles lager recipe suggestions
« Reply #30 on: July 12, 2018, 06:09:11 pm »
Don't do a protein rest unless that Pils malt is about 60 years old.

+1 no need for protein rest with most of today's malts

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Re: Helles lager recipe suggestions
« Reply #31 on: July 12, 2018, 07:31:55 pm »
Point taken, thank you guys.

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Re: Helles lager recipe suggestions
« Reply #32 on: July 15, 2018, 05:31:56 am »
I have brewed this , it doesn't follow tradition lagering technique but it makes a very enjoyable Helles. I use 029 in the first batch and 34/70 in the second and fermented at 66 degrees ramping at the finish to 72. http://brulosophy.com/recipes/munich-helles/

More on warm fermenting lagers http://brulosophy.com/2017/02/20/yeast-pitch-temperature-pt-2-cool-vs-warm-in-a-lager-exbeeriment-results/

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Re: Helles lager recipe suggestions
« Reply #33 on: July 17, 2018, 06:44:22 pm »
I have brewed this , it doesn't follow tradition lagering technique but it makes a very enjoyable Helles. I use 029 in the first batch and 34/70 in the second and fermented at 66 degrees ramping at the finish to 72. http://brulosophy.com/recipes/munich-helles/

More on warm fermenting lagers http://brulosophy.com/2017/02/20/yeast-pitch-temperature-pt-2-cool-vs-warm-in-a-lager-exbeeriment-results/

Calling the Brulosphy Helles a Helles is fightin’ words! 😁

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Re: Helles lager recipe suggestions
« Reply #34 on: July 17, 2018, 11:30:35 pm »
Everyone is posting malt bills. Is there no recommendation yeasts?


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Re: Helles lager recipe suggestions
« Reply #35 on: July 18, 2018, 04:43:08 am »
Everyone is posting malt bills. Is there no recommendation yeasts?


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I nominate Wyeast 2206 Bavarian Lager.

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Re: Helles lager recipe suggestions
« Reply #36 on: July 18, 2018, 07:32:43 am »
Everyone is posting malt bills. Is there no recommendation yeasts?


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I like wlp830 or wyeast 2124

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Re: Helles lager recipe suggestions
« Reply #37 on: July 18, 2018, 07:39:31 am »
Everyone is posting malt bills. Is there no recommendation yeasts?


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I like wlp830 or wyeast 2124

I've tried all the major ones, but I keep going back to wl830.  I just put a helles in the fermenter about 10 days ago - its pretty much done now, can't remember the %'s exactly, but basically an 85/15 split of pils/Vienna for the base malt, 3% of carahell and 1-2% acid malt.
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Re: Helles lager recipe suggestions
« Reply #38 on: July 18, 2018, 10:00:09 am »
2206 and 34/70 for me

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Re: Helles lager recipe suggestions
« Reply #39 on: July 18, 2018, 10:02:08 am »
I have brewed this , it doesn't follow tradition lagering technique but it makes a very enjoyable Helles. I use 029 in the first batch and 34/70 in the second and fermented at 66 degrees ramping at the finish to 72. http://brulosophy.com/recipes/munich-helles/

More on warm fermenting lagers http://brulosophy.com/2017/02/20/yeast-pitch-temperature-pt-2-cool-vs-warm-in-a-lager-exbeeriment-results/

Calling the Brulosphy Helles a Helles is fightin’ words! 😁

What was it about it that you didn't like?  That made it "not a helles"?
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Re: Helles lager recipe suggestions
« Reply #40 on: July 18, 2018, 06:48:20 pm »
I have brewed this , it doesn't follow tradition lagering technique but it makes a very enjoyable Helles. I use 029 in the first batch and 34/70 in the second and fermented at 66 degrees ramping at the finish to 72. http://brulosophy.com/recipes/munich-helles/

More on warm fermenting lagers http://brulosophy.com/2017/02/20/yeast-pitch-temperature-pt-2-cool-vs-warm-in-a-lager-exbeeriment-results/

Calling the Brulosphy Helles a Helles is fightin’ words! 😁

What was it about it that you didn't like?  That made it "not a helles"?

It was a joke. A comical throwback to a odd time in our collective forum existence.

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Re: Helles lager recipe suggestions
« Reply #41 on: July 19, 2018, 12:58:46 am »
I have brewed this , it doesn't follow tradition lagering technique but it makes a very enjoyable Helles. I use 029 in the first batch and 34/70 in the second and fermented at 66 degrees ramping at the finish to 72. http://brulosophy.com/recipes/munich-helles/

More on warm fermenting lagers http://brulosophy.com/2017/02/20/yeast-pitch-temperature-pt-2-cool-vs-warm-in-a-lager-exbeeriment-results/

Calling the Brulosphy Helles a Helles is fightin’ words!

What was it about it that you didn't like?  That made it "not a helles"?

It was a joke. A comical throwback to a odd time in our collective forum existence.
That's how I took it. I mean it was obviously a joke, because calling brülosophy helles "not a helles" is like... ludicrous. Duh, they use an ümlat. How much more aüthentic can one be?
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Re: Helles lager recipe suggestions
« Reply #42 on: July 19, 2018, 04:02:12 am »
I have brewed this , it doesn't follow tradition lagering technique but it makes a very enjoyable Helles. I use 029 in the first batch and 34/70 in the second and fermented at 66 degrees ramping at the finish to 72. http://brulosophy.com/recipes/munich-helles/

More on warm fermenting lagers http://brulosophy.com/2017/02/20/yeast-pitch-temperature-pt-2-cool-vs-warm-in-a-lager-exbeeriment-results/

Calling the Brulosphy Helles a Helles is fightin’ words!

What was it about it that you didn't like?  That made it "not a helles"?

It was a joke. A comical throwback to a odd time in our collective forum existence.
That's how I took it. I mean it was obviously a joke, because calling brülosophy helles "not a helles" is like... ludicrous. Duh, they use an ümlat. How much more aüthentic can one be?

The real funny part is that if they had just called it a Kolsch, which is basically what it is, they never would have gotten any criticism. However, in a day and age when a man or woman can I identify as a dog and/or cat, they can call it whatever they like.

Time to market my 100% Pilsner malt cold fermented Stout. 😜

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Re: Helles lager recipe suggestions
« Reply #43 on: July 19, 2018, 05:40:12 am »
^^^^
Helles just means "pale."  Stout just means "big."  Taken at face value, as the terms were originally intended, there's nothing controversial about either of those examples.  Style police need to chillax.  With a stout, Helles, hoppy, hazy ale maybe. 8)
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Re: Helles lager recipe suggestions
« Reply #44 on: July 19, 2018, 06:30:53 am »
^^^^
Helles just means "pale."  Stout just means "big."  Taken at face value, as the terms were originally intended, there's nothing controversial about either of those examples.  Style police need to chillax.  With a stout, Helles, hoppy, hazy ale maybe. 8)

I disagree and here's why: Frankenstein.

I had to explain to my son last night the confusion over the name Frankenstein. Frankenstein is the doctor, not the creature. Except that in nearly every culture aware of the story, Frankenstein is the creature. It has taken root to the point where going back to calling him "The creature" just seems at odds with pop culture.

Is it right to invoke Helles meaning "pale"? Yes. Grammatically and technically, yes. Can we go back to a time where a Helles is any pale beer under the sun? Not likely. I think styles guidelines are mostly nonsense. Yet, Helles is a distinct beer in flavor and appearance from a Pils, or an Export, or a Kolsch, or a Festbier. And they are all pale.

The Brulosophy thing was a joke on my part. They can call whatever they want whatever they'd like. I think there are clear differences between beers of different styles that share some commonalities, and in that regard, style guidelines make perfect sense.