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Re: Think I'm going back to whole cone
« Reply #45 on: August 03, 2018, 07:09:43 PM »


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Re: Think I'm going back to whole cone
« Reply #46 on: August 04, 2018, 01:21:36 AM »


I thought I knew all the Wyeast strains, but Greenbelt is a new one on me.
Wyeast exclusive with Austin Homebrew Supply, circa 2010, not sure if it is still made. Don’t see it on either site.

Darn you're smart!

I used to be.  ;)

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Re: Think I'm going back to whole cone
« Reply #47 on: August 06, 2018, 01:05:14 PM »
I always brew my house Pils with whole-cone hops… It’s been a while, but just brewed my most recent batch this weekend since getting my pump for recirculation/whirlpool for cooling and such… The clarity on my wort going into the fermenter, thanks to the “filter bed” by the whole cone hops was something I had never, ever seen before. It was clearer than any professionally filtered beer I’ve seen. I never have problems getting crystal clear lagers and such after lagering, but I had never seen wort this brilliant and clear going into that fermenter. Makes me really excited to see what the final result will look like after it’s done being cold conditioned.   

I also find, now having brewed a Pils with pellet hops as well, that I have preferred my whole-flower variants. It could have just been the hop crop I had for my whole-flower vs. pellet, but the taste was more vibrant/bright and complex than the pellet. I use pellets for all my ales, but debating about trying an IPA with whole flower to compare here soon as I had never done that aside from my wet-hop IPA I do every harvest, which will be in two weeks or so here with my Chinook and Cascade plants.

Once I work through my large pellet hop inventory, I may buy more non-German varieties in whole leaf form… Citra and Simcoe, for example. Since I dry hop in the keg at times now, it would be nice to pack my hop canisters with whole flower vs. pellet and have less issue/risk with any particulate going rogue to clog up the poppet or faucet (flow control, sensitive to debris!).

Count me as a fan for whole-flower, though. Storage and wort loss with whole flower does suck, but usually for lagers and stuff that is never a huge deal when only using say 6oz total in the boil for say my Pils. An IPA on the other hand would get pretty bad, though.

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Re: Think I'm going back to whole cone
« Reply #48 on: August 09, 2018, 05:23:18 AM »
Well peeps, I just picked up two fat sacks of some home grown. Bullion hops.

Not sure the true AA but I’m gonna make a stout with them. Oatmeal stout. If they are true to historical bullion’s I’m estimating 8-9%aa. These are dried and I was gonna use a bag @60 and the other bag at like 20 and @0

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Re: Think I'm going back to whole cone
« Reply #49 on: August 09, 2018, 12:10:46 PM »
Well peeps, I just picked up two fat sacks of some home grown. Bullion hops.

Not sure the true AA but I’m gonna make a stout with them. Oatmeal stout. If they are true to historical bullion’s I’m estimating 8-9%aa. These are dried and I was gonna use a bag @60 and the other bag at like 20 and @0

I'm happy to see you're trying them for bittering.  I think your estimate of 8-ish percent alpha is probably pretty close.  One minor concern is they don't have much brown on them, so possibly slightly underripe... but in Arizona, well maybe nevermind!  I have NO idea what they'd be like used at the end of the boil -- exciting!

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Re: Think I'm going back to whole cone
« Reply #50 on: August 09, 2018, 04:34:18 PM »
I'm happy to see you're trying them for bittering.  I think your estimate of 8-ish percent alpha is probably pretty close.  One minor concern is they don't have much brown on them, so possibly slightly underripe... but in Arizona, well maybe nevermind!  I have NO idea what they'd be like used at the end of the boil -- exciting!

Cheers!

I’m using them tomorrow, so they are dried out already and maybe I’ll just go and leave the bags open until then.
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Re: Think I'm going back to whole cone
« Reply #51 on: August 11, 2018, 06:25:11 PM »
Well, I brewed my Oktoberfest this morning, first batch back to whole cone.  Besides the wonderful, elegant flavor and aroma of the wort (and with no addition after the start of the boil, it does have a nice Saaz character showing through, as well as the expected level of bitterness,) it was a joy to see the perfectly crystal-clear, hop-filtered wort going to the fermenter... and with a loss of less than 1 qt to the hops, rather than the gallon or even more I lose with pellets (and the wort still isn't clear then.)  I have to go back and adjust recipes to my old, shorter brew lengths -- bonus is saving malt.  Felt like coming home to my happy place.  If you're happy with pellets, great.  I like it this way. Can't wait for the beer.  Next up is a hoppy, dry hopped pale ale, for contrast.
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Re: Think I'm going back to whole cone
« Reply #52 on: August 11, 2018, 10:31:52 PM »
it was a joy to see the perfectly crystal-clear, hop-filtered wort going to the fermenter...
I have to agree. I just used them for the first time and the wort looks really good. First beer I’ve made without using my hop spider and I liked watching the hops circulate around in the boil. I have a filter on the bottom of my kettle and usually, even with the hop spider, there is a brown residue.
This stout looks really clean and I will have to consider buying whole cones from now on if I can get the ones I like. Overall I think my biggest issue would be saving on in contract to buying pellets in bulk.
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