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3-piece ball valve alternatives
« on: August 07, 2018, 02:12:15 AM »
I like the 3-piece design as you can fully take them apart and clean components, which is obviously crucial. However, I'm not a fan of the 4 bolts it takes to disassemble. Does anyone use an alternative ball valve that still allows for complete disassembly? I'm not a fan of butterfly valves due to the disk being in the middle of the flow, but open to suggestions. I use these all over the place in my home brewing.

I typically use one of these: https://tameson.co.uk/ball-valve/bv-2-way/bv-2w-stainless-steel/bv-2w-ss-iso-top-3-piece/

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Re: 3-piece ball valve alternatives
« Reply #1 on: August 07, 2018, 03:27:05 AM »
I've got a couple of these in my system. They come apart fast but are large, heavy and pricey.

https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/tc15_2pbv_ez_npt12.htm

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Re: 3-piece ball valve alternatives
« Reply #2 on: August 08, 2018, 01:00:44 AM »
There’s a two piece ball valve. https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/2pbv.htm


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Re: 3-piece ball valve alternatives
« Reply #3 on: August 08, 2018, 10:22:16 AM »
I've got a couple of these in my system. They come apart fast but are large, heavy and pricey.

https://www.brewhardware.com/product_p/tc15_2pbv_ez_npt12.htm
I'm mental noting these if ever I change valves again.

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« Reply #4 on: August 08, 2018, 10:51:04 AM »
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Re: 3-piece ball valve alternatives
« Reply #5 on: August 08, 2018, 12:51:27 PM »
I agree that the stainless steel ball valves are a real pain to take apart and re-assemble.  I have a butterfly valve on the bottom of my SS Brewtech conical to burp out the yeast and love it.  They are really easy to CIP and the only time you need to take them apart is when you have to replace the gasket around the butterfly.  Having the butterfly in the wort/beer stream is no big deal for me.
I am thinking of changing out the racking arm valve (a stainless three piece ball valve) to a butterfly valve as well, just have not gotten around to it as of yet.
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Re: 3-piece ball valve alternatives
« Reply #6 on: August 08, 2018, 07:49:40 PM »
This comes apart easy - I have a few that I use, but triclover clamps aren’t in everybody’s set up.  They clean up great though.
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Re: 3-piece ball valve alternatives
« Reply #7 on: August 12, 2018, 03:18:03 AM »
Blichmann's G2 valve is available as a replacement part:

https://parts.blichmannengineering.com/G2-Linear-Flow-Valve-p/ag2valve.htm?ref_=lv_ov_lig_pab

This may be the answer I am looking for to control my pump during RIMS operations. It’s tough to accurately control flow with a ball valve. I was looking at a gate valve but it is not near as sexy (it looks like an outside water spigot) for about the same price.


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« Reply #8 on: August 12, 2018, 11:37:48 AM »
All good things come to those who show patients and perseverance while maintaining a positive and progressive attitude. :-)

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« Reply #9 on: August 12, 2018, 12:21:19 PM »
I use these on the hot side and sanitized side of my system and have never had any issues.

https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Two-Piece-Female-Rotary-WOG1000/dp/B073ZGGHZ3/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1534073699&sr=8-3&keywords=stainless+steel+ball+valve+1%2F2
Used them for a long time. I switched to the 3 piece 4 bolt things. I didn't really gain anything.

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« Reply #10 on: August 12, 2018, 03:06:34 PM »
I use these on the hot side and sanitized side of my system and have never had any issues.

https://www.amazon.com/Stainless-Two-Piece-Female-Rotary-WOG1000/dp/B073ZGGHZ3/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1534073699&sr=8-3&keywords=stainless+steel+ball+valve+1%2F2
Used them for a long time. I switched to the 3 piece 4 bolt things. I didn't really gain anything.

Three-piece ball valves are considerably more expensive and I don’t believe they are of any particular benefit in a homebrew setup.  Their intended purpose is to provide the ability to replace the ball and valve stem seal without removing the valve connections from the piping system. That said, they’re nice if a brewer is unable to properly flush and sanitize their system; the valves can be disassembled for cleaning.
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Re: 3-piece ball valve alternatives
« Reply #11 on: September 21, 2018, 12:30:44 AM »
My vote is for the G2 Linear Flow Valves by Blichmann...I changed my entire setup after I used the first one!

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« Reply #12 on: December 18, 2018, 03:35:18 AM »
I just ordered two of these for Christmas to go on the MLT and HLT/BK.

https://www.brewershardware.com/1-2-NPT-Quick-Clean-Take-Apart-Ball-Valve.html

I am really liking the Blickman linear flow valve on the pump for lauter control

https://parts.blichmannengineering.com/G2-Linear-Flow-Valve-p/ag2valve.htm

Edit: I just received the Quick Clean Take Apart Ball Valves. Wow. They’re VERY well engineered and solidly built. First impression is extremely positive. We’ll see how a brewday goes with them.


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Re: 3-piece ball valve alternatives
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2019, 02:18:39 AM »
I added the Blichmann linear flow control valve to my pump output recently In hopes of adding more control to my system and my chugger pump. I haven't had a chance to brew with it yet but I did take it for a dry run. I ran it at different levels of flow and measured the flow by timing how long it took to fill a quart.
 I have had success with recirculating my mash at .6 gallon per minute and wanted to make this rate of flow repeatable. So I set a flow and measured it at .6 gpm and measured the physical distance on the valve between off and .6 gpm. Then I set it to 1 gpm, which is almost too fast for my system. The difference on the valve between .6gpm and 1gpm is almost impossible to measure. The procedure is something like, set flow to .5 gmp, place fingers on valve, think about turning valve, and now you're at 1 gpm.
It definitely has a much finer control than a ball valve but in the range of control that concerns me and my system, it's just slightly less clunky than a ball valve. Super easy to clean though.

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« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2019, 02:37:19 AM »
Though I haven’t measured the gpm, I found a sweet spot at 5/16” measured from the machining edge to the edge of the rotating knob. This measurement is slow enough that I don’t compact the grain bed and cavitate the pump but fast enough to flow across the RIMS element that I get good temp ramp and consistent mash temp across the grain bed.  I can disassemble, clean, and reassemble the pump and valve and reset this gap with confidence.

This pump measurement is combined with 1.752 qts/lb mash thickness and a mill setting of the RH edge of the mark on the knurled knob to the LH edge of the housing match mark on a JSP Malt Mill. I find this combination is consistent from beer to beer and the results are predictable.

However, I believe this sweet spot and combination of variables are different from brewery to brewery based on that brewer’s system.





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