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Re: What Variety of Maris Otter do You Use?
« Reply #15 on: October 21, 2019, 07:08:41 PM »
I was always in the opinion that barley variety matter.

Look at Weyermann German Pilsner, Bohemian Pilsner and Barke Pilsner. Different barley Malted in the same facility (most likely the same way) {I could be wrong}.
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Re: What Variety of Maris Otter do You Use?
« Reply #16 on: October 21, 2019, 08:06:26 PM »
I was always in the opinion that barley variety matter.

Look at Weyermann German Pilsner, Bohemian Pilsner and Barke Pilsner. Different barley Malted in the same facility (most likely the same way) {I could be wrong}.
My position remains that variety matters, and yet does not.  Let me explain.  A good maltster, with a good process, can make better malt from any barley variety than an inferior maltster can make from the same barley.  A truly inferior maltster can still make poor malt from the best barley.  So within a given maltster's range, a certain variety may be preferred for certain properties.  But one maltster's best product may be inferior to another's most generic grade.  To make the best beer possible, you need the best ingredients available at the time.  For me that generally starts with choosing a trusted maltster, then deciding if a certain beer demands a specialty product from their range, if such a product is currently available.  So I think the question posed in this topic -- whose MO do you prefer -- probably will point to a maltster any of whose products you would find superior to the products of other producers, maybe even to the extent that you'd prefer their basic pale malt to another's MO.   Variety is not magic; each malt must be evaluated on its own merits.

PS.  I currently am fanatical about the Weyermann Barke line, Thirsty_Monk.
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Re: What Variety of Maris Otter do You Use?
« Reply #17 on: October 21, 2019, 08:11:16 PM »
I was always in the opinion that barley variety matter.

Look at Weyermann German Pilsner, Bohemian Pilsner and Barke Pilsner. Different barley Malted in the same facility (most likely the same way) {I could be wrong}.
My position remains that variety matters, and yet does not.  Let me explain.  A good maltster, with a good process, can make better malt from any barley variety than an inferior maltster can make from the same barley.  A truly inferior maltster can still make poor malt from the best barley.  So within a given maltster's range, a certain variety may be preferred for certain properties.  But one maltster's best product may be inferior to another's most generic grade.  To make the best beer possible, you need the best ingredients available at the time.  For me that generally starts with choosing a trusted maltster, then deciding if a certain beer demands a specialty product from their range, if such a product is currently available.  So I think the question posed in this topic -- whose MO do you prefer -- probably will point to a maltster any of whose products you would find superior to the products of other producers, maybe even to the extent that you'd prefer their basic pale malt to another's MO.   Variety is not magic; each malt must be evaluated on its own merits.

PS.  I currently am fanatical about the Weyermann Barke line, Thirsty_Monk.

But given a standardized malting process, variety makes a big difference.
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Re: What Variety of Maris Otter do You Use?
« Reply #18 on: October 21, 2019, 08:32:03 PM »
I was always in the opinion that barley variety matter.

Look at Weyermann German Pilsner, Bohemian Pilsner and Barke Pilsner. Different barley Malted in the same facility (most likely the same way) {I could be wrong}.
My position remains that variety matters, and yet does not.  Let me explain.  A good maltster, with a good process, can make better malt from any barley variety than an inferior maltster can make from the same barley.  A truly inferior maltster can still make poor malt from the best barley.  So within a given maltster's range, a certain variety may be preferred for certain properties.  But one maltster's best product may be inferior to another's most generic grade.  To make the best beer possible, you need the best ingredients available at the time.  For me that generally starts with choosing a trusted maltster, then deciding if a certain beer demands a specialty product from their range, if such a product is currently available.  So I think the question posed in this topic -- whose MO do you prefer -- probably will point to a maltster any of whose products you would find superior to the products of other producers, maybe even to the extent that you'd prefer their basic pale malt to another's MO.   Variety is not magic; each malt must be evaluated on its own merits.

PS.  I currently am fanatical about the Weyermann Barke line, Thirsty_Monk.

But given a standardized malting process, variety makes a big difference.
Exactly.   It's just that variety isn't everything.   You need good process first.  I'm curious, Denny, have you had the opportunity to compare Full Pint pale malts from, say, MG and other producers? 
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Re: What Variety of Maris Otter do You Use?
« Reply #19 on: October 21, 2019, 08:51:42 PM »
I was always in the opinion that barley variety matter.

Look at Weyermann German Pilsner, Bohemian Pilsner and Barke Pilsner. Different barley Malted in the same facility (most likely the same way) {I could be wrong}.
My position remains that variety matters, and yet does not.  Let me explain.  A good maltster, with a good process, can make better malt from any barley variety than an inferior maltster can make from the same barley.  A truly inferior maltster can still make poor malt from the best barley.  So within a given maltster's range, a certain variety may be preferred for certain properties.  But one maltster's best product may be inferior to another's most generic grade.  To make the best beer possible, you need the best ingredients available at the time.  For me that generally starts with choosing a trusted maltster, then deciding if a certain beer demands a specialty product from their range, if such a product is currently available.  So I think the question posed in this topic -- whose MO do you prefer -- probably will point to a maltster any of whose products you would find superior to the products of other producers, maybe even to the extent that you'd prefer their basic pale malt to another's MO.   Variety is not magic; each malt must be evaluated on its own merits.

PS.  I currently am fanatical about the Weyermann Barke line, Thirsty_Monk.

But given a standardized malting process, variety makes a big difference.
Exactly.   It's just that variety isn't everything.   You need good process first.  I'm curious, Denny, have you had the opportunity to compare Full Pint pale malts from, say, MG and other producers?

Yeah, a number of the craft maltster here are using Full Pint.  As you say, waiting makes a difference, but there's an underlying flavor they all have.
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Re: What Variety of Maris Otter do You Use?
« Reply #20 on: October 21, 2019, 09:12:59 PM »
I have attended “Malt U” a couple of times.

Since every barley (the same year different field/area) have a different levels of protein,FAN and whatever else maltsters adjust their recipe to achieve consistent product. This is usually done in steeping process. Different barley variety might be Malted differently as well. One last thing is that they also blend different batches to make unified product.

If your brewery is large enough to take full batch, they will Malt to your specifications.

Maltsters can do a lot of things in the process by steeping to get you a Malt that has a good extract and preform well in the brewhouse and with killing to develop flavor but flavorful barley variety can give you a big boost.

Barke barley is an heirloom variety.

I am very happy that we are starting to talk about barley as a flavor developer then just talk about hops.
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What Variety of Maris Otter do You Use?
« Reply #21 on: October 22, 2019, 12:23:20 AM »
I find it interesting that Seth is especially interested in Full Pint crosses. I’ve been using Full Pint as a base a lot lately. I especially like to blend it with Maris Otter, Golden Promise, Munich, and Vienna. I’ve had great brewhouse success with it but of course the ultimate characteristic is taste. I really like its contribution in the beers I’ve been brewing. I can begin to understand his interest.


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Re: What Variety of Maris Otter do You Use?
« Reply #22 on: October 22, 2019, 02:31:07 PM »
More on my Maris Otter post.  FWIW, I recently used Crisp for my coffee porter and my Irish Red ales because I still have some on hand here.  I got about 6% lower extraction from it than I have with Munton's in the past with no changes in my brewing procedure.  The flavor in the above two beers is good although the porter seemed a slight bit thin (I will evaluate it more as it has some age to it because it was really young and had not had time for the flavors to meld).

Because of ease of availability, I think I am going to return to Munton's as a base malt for my English beers since I have a bit more consistency with it.  That said I am intrigued by Barke and Full Pint and might try them sometime depending on availability.
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Re: What Variety of Maris Otter do You Use?
« Reply #23 on: October 22, 2019, 03:53:05 PM »
^^^^
The Crisp malt is straight MO, whereas the Muntons is a blend that contains enough MO to legally call it that and get the flavor, otherwise it is blended to achieve the consistency in performance you've noticed.
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Re: What Variety of Maris Otter do You Use?
« Reply #24 on: October 22, 2019, 05:25:19 PM »
^^^^
The Crisp malt is straight MO, whereas the Muntons is a blend that contains enough MO to legally call it that and get the flavor, otherwise it is blended to achieve the consistency in performance you've noticed.
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Re: What Variety of Maris Otter do You Use?
« Reply #25 on: October 22, 2019, 05:41:13 PM »
^^^^
The Crisp malt is straight MO, whereas the Muntons is a blend that contains enough MO to legally call it that and get the flavor, otherwise it is blended to achieve the consistency in performance you've noticed.

You can but bags of Munton's 100% MO for a premium.
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