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Offline dmtaylor

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Re: dmtaylor's yeast chart
« Reply #30 on: October 25, 2019, 09:39:33 am »
To the best of my own abilities and with very low volume fanfare, I have absorbed and processed the latest data from Langdon et al. and suregork in a new living permalink here (and it also includes a handful of other tweaks) -- for convenience the latest July-October 2019 genomic-related updates have been highlighted in purple:

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/16XRUloO3WXqH9Ixsf5vx2DIKDmrEQJ36tLRBmmya7Jo/edit?usp=sharing

This is a tool and labour of love, intended mostly for my own use, but if you like it that's cool too.  The usual caveats apply... strains listed together are not necessarily exactly equivalent... however, you might perhaps find them "close enough, for most intents and purposes", which has always been my primary intent.  If you don't like this or find it useful, ignore it.  For those interested, from here on out I am going to attempt to maintain the link above as the final permanent link, as a living document, no longer just a snapshot in time, but continually being tweaked at least about once or twice per month or as necessary based on new inputs, which is how it's been going all year long since I started this in January 2019.

Cheers all and happy yeasting.  :)
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Re: dmtaylor's yeast chart
« Reply #31 on: October 27, 2019, 02:24:43 pm »
Excellent, Dave! Thank you for putting all of this new information in a nice, understandable format.
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Re: dmtaylor's yeast chart
« Reply #32 on: February 11, 2024, 06:43:56 am »
I finally caught up with the 20th century...

Effective today, those interested can now enjoy a much easier link to this file.  Try this:

http://tinyurl.com/yeastmaster

Cheers all.
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Re: dmtaylor's yeast chart
« Reply #33 on: February 11, 2024, 08:20:31 am »
I finally caught up with the 20th century...

Effective today, those interested can now enjoy a much easier link to this file.  Try this:

http://tinyurl.com/yeastmaster

Cheers all.
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Re: dmtaylor's yeast chart
« Reply #34 on: February 11, 2024, 09:13:06 am »
I finally caught up with the 20th century...

Effective today, those interested can now enjoy a much easier link to this file.  Try this:

http://tinyurl.com/yeastmaster

Cheers all.
I was surprised to see that SafLager 34/70 and 2035 American Lager are listed as a match.

Maybe...maybe not
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Re: dmtaylor's yeast chart
« Reply #35 on: February 11, 2024, 10:35:45 am »
I finally caught up with the 20th century...

Effective today, those interested can now enjoy a much easier link to this file.  Try this:

http://tinyurl.com/yeastmaster

Cheers all.
I was surprised to see that SafLager 34/70 and 2035 American Lager are listed as a match.

Maybe...maybe not

Believe what you want, but they are genetic cousins.  Most of the matches on this table are not identical (some are), but are close cousins.
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Re: dmtaylor's yeast chart
« Reply #36 on: February 14, 2024, 09:55:29 am »
This may be of some interest to some people. Master Brewer's Podcast interviewed a guy from White Labs about how they test to see if a yeast is a lager (hybrid) or an ale. They confirmed that WLP800 is an ale and WLP838 is a true lager strain.

https://www.masterbrewerspodcast.com/297

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Re: dmtaylor's yeast chart
« Reply #37 on: February 14, 2024, 10:25:06 am »
This may be of some interest to some people. Master Brewer's Podcast interviewed a guy from White Labs about how they test to see if a yeast is a lager (hybrid) or an ale. They confirmed that WLP800 is an ale and WLP838 is a true lager strain.

https://www.masterbrewerspodcast.com/297

Yes indeed, this was known for a while, I incorporated the updates last autumn-ish.
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Re: dmtaylor's yeast chart
« Reply #38 on: February 17, 2024, 10:52:01 am »
This may be of some interest to some people. Master Brewer's Podcast interviewed a guy from White Labs about how they test to see if a yeast is a lager (hybrid) or an ale. They confirmed that WLP800 is an ale and WLP838 is a true lager strain.

https://www.masterbrewerspodcast.com/297

that was a good episode, i liked that he indicated this kind of research is still in-process and not set in stone and that definitions are simply man made

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Re: dmtaylor's yeast chart
« Reply #39 on: February 18, 2024, 09:40:40 am »
This may be of some interest to some people. Master Brewer's Podcast interviewed a guy from White Labs about how they test to see if a yeast is a lager (hybrid) or an ale. They confirmed that WLP800 is an ale and WLP838 is a true lager strain.

https://www.masterbrewerspodcast.com/297

Yes indeed, this was known for a while, I incorporated the updates last autumn-ish.
I haven't listened to this yet, but this is really interesting to me. Suregork has WLP838 in with the UK ale strains, with S-04, WY1028, and WLP540 being  fairly close relatives. I'm curious as to how this lines up if it's truly a lager strain.
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Re: dmtaylor's yeast chart
« Reply #40 on: February 18, 2024, 02:39:44 pm »
This may be of some interest to some people. Master Brewer's Podcast interviewed a guy from White Labs about how they test to see if a yeast is a lager (hybrid) or an ale. They confirmed that WLP800 is an ale and WLP838 is a true lager strain.

https://www.masterbrewerspodcast.com/297

Yes indeed, this was known for a while, I incorporated the updates last autumn-ish.
I haven't listened to this yet, but this is really interesting to me. Suregork has WLP838 in with the UK ale strains, with S-04, WY1028, and WLP540 being  fairly close relatives. I'm curious as to how this lines up if it's truly a lager strain.

what happened to suregork? he hasnt updated in years afaik?

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Re: dmtaylor's yeast chart
« Reply #41 on: February 18, 2024, 03:02:15 pm »
Dave,
 IMO, VERY, VERY interesting.

 Is there anyway to download the chart (not simply print, but download)? I am only able to view the chart at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CEl1_Fb8CgQcAqbFNETgOwH5BWx3bTqEt0kEpV-O5OM/edit#gid=243238826

Also, am I understanding correctly US-05 is NOT WLP001 nor Wyeast 1056?

Thanks for this most interesting information and work.

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Re: dmtaylor's yeast chart
« Reply #42 on: February 18, 2024, 03:28:52 pm »
Dave,
 IMO, VERY, VERY interesting.

 Is there anyway to download the chart (not simply print, but download)? I am only able to view the chart at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CEl1_Fb8CgQcAqbFNETgOwH5BWx3bTqEt0kEpV-O5OM/edit#gid=243238826

Also, am I understanding correctly US-05 is NOT WLP001 nor Wyeast 1056?

Thanks for this most interesting information and work.

The link you posted is outdated. Make sure you use the one at http://tinyurl.com/yeastmaster

It should be downloadable. I know others have been able to do so successfully.

All of the so-called Chico yeasts are closely related but maybe not as closely as we originally thought.
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Re: dmtaylor's yeast chart
« Reply #43 on: February 18, 2024, 03:35:46 pm »
Dave,
 IMO, VERY, VERY interesting.

 Is there anyway to download the chart (not simply print, but download)? I am only able to view the chart at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CEl1_Fb8CgQcAqbFNETgOwH5BWx3bTqEt0kEpV-O5OM/edit#gid=243238826

Also, am I understanding correctly US-05 is NOT WLP001 nor Wyeast 1056?

Thanks for this most interesting information and work.

The link you posted is outdated. Make sure you use the one at http://tinyurl.com/yeastmaster

It should be downloadable. I know others have been able to do so successfully.

All of the so-called Chico yeasts are closely related but maybe not as closely as we originally thought.

I know the exact origin of 05. All I can say is that originally it was damn close to 1056. It may have drifted since then.
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Re: dmtaylor's yeast chart
« Reply #44 on: February 29, 2024, 03:47:55 pm »
Dave,
 IMO, VERY, VERY interesting.

 Is there anyway to download the chart (not simply print, but download)? I am only able to view the chart at https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1CEl1_Fb8CgQcAqbFNETgOwH5BWx3bTqEt0kEpV-O5OM/edit#gid=243238826

Also, am I understanding correctly US-05 is NOT WLP001 nor Wyeast 1056?

Thanks for this most interesting information and work.

The link you posted is outdated. Make sure you use the one at http://tinyurl.com/yeastmaster

It should be downloadable. I know others have been able to do so successfully.

All of the so-called Chico yeasts are closely related but maybe not as closely as we originally thought.

Dave,
 Unfortunately, I still am not seeing where to download using the link in the reply.